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Post by treblejig on Jan 26, 2018 18:24:40 GMT -5
I wonder how all of these allegations will shake out. I hope that the innocent students don't take the brunt of all this. Too familiar.
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Post by traveler on Jan 26, 2018 18:50:43 GMT -5
I fear they already have. Just terrible stories. One former MSU gymnast, Larissa Boyce, told her story on NBC today. She recounted after telling the female coach what had happened, she was placed in front of the entire team and scolded by the female coach. A softball player who reported the abuse to female trainer (now, apparently, the head trainer who trains all other trainers) disregarded the complaint and failed to comply with state laws on reporting abuse. At MSU and at USAG, countless females in authority failed to comply with state laws and failed to protect and defend young girls and women, according at least to the victim statements.
I had always assumed having a good proportion of staff being female would be beneficial to female athletes. I do not understand how that repeatedly failed as a protection in this case.
BTW, one Indy Star story listed all the sports involved, and it included volleyball, tho it was not clear if they were referring to USOC, MSU, or other. A Detroit Free Press article did not mention volleyball.
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Post by Millennium on Jan 26, 2018 19:12:25 GMT -5
While I feel horrible for the students, faculty, alum, and administration who were not involved and who will bear the burden of blame from ignorant people, I do see one good thing on the horizon.
It should take some heat off Penn State for a while. Unfortunately, there are still ignorant people believe PSU should be further punished.
I wonder how many other universities and colleges have stuff like this going on now or in the past, which are/have been swept under the rug?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2018 21:14:22 GMT -5
I wonder how many other universities and colleges have stuff like this going on now or in the past, which are/have been swept under the rug? Forgive the obviousness, but even one would be too many. |
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Post by traveler on Jan 26, 2018 23:00:02 GMT -5
The Washington Post ran an article earlier this evening...multiple cases of non-reporting of rapes or similar by the MSU bb and fb teams and even staff. Lots of alleged Title IX violations. Going to get way uglier from the sound of it.
So, what does this sound like? I'd say Baylor, most recently, anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2018 23:19:49 GMT -5
The Washington Post ran an article earlier this evening...multiple cases of non-reporting of rapes or similar by the MSU bb and fb teams and even staff. Lots of alleged Title IX violations. Going to get way uglier from the sound of it. So, what does this sound like? I'd say Baylor, most recently, anyway. At halftime during the wrestling match, the BTN broadcasted a statement by MSU football coach claiming that the football team handled sexual assault claims according to Title IX and MSU's guidelines. Not claiming that's what happened, only what was said Friday evening. MSU is in for a bad time. |
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Post by Millennium on Jan 27, 2018 1:39:32 GMT -5
I wonder how many other universities and colleges have stuff like this going on now or in the past, which are/have been swept under the rug? Forgive the obviousness, but even one would be too many. My point being that many people made it out to be a once and done situation only perpetrated at one school. Unfortunately, I don't think that's the case. Look what's going on in Hollywood. As more people get into the #metoo movement, I believe we'll hear more cases become public. The more prevalent and public this becomes nationwide, the better, IMHO. I say that from the standpoint that more people will become sensitized and watchful. And preventative measures can be adopted at schools and workplaces to help prevent future abuses. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2018 10:42:23 GMT -5
My point being that many people made it out to be a once and done situation only perpetrated at one school. Unfortunately, I don't think that's the case. Look what's going on in Hollywood. As more people get into the #metoo movement, I believe we'll hear more cases become public. The more prevalent and public this becomes nationwide, the better, IMHO. I say that from the standpoint that more people will become sensitized and watchful. And preventative measures can be adopted at schools and workplaces to help prevent future abuses. I understand. That there are other cases out there would seem to be an almost statistical certainty. I'll hope that there aren't many more large scale cases as we've seen at MSU and USA Gymnastics. But no matter, it's horrible for the victims no matter if there is one or hundreds. One similarity I've noticed--the universal claims that "We didn't know what was going on" from those with oversight. |
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Post by elliotberton on Jan 29, 2018 14:55:50 GMT -5
So this issue is similar to the point which gave me pause during the Sandusky situation. Sitting here in my office, I just can't see why any administrator would have any instinct to cover these things up. In hindsight, it seems obvious that reporting and vigorous internal follow up is not only the right thing for the victims, but also beneficial for the protection of all staff, students and others who work with the University. It always seemed to me that a school would benefit in numerous (albeit less important ways) from disclosure.
Yet, regardless of the particulars, or which University has been involved, it seems like the consistent first instinct has been to cover things up. Obviously, we only hear about the worst cases, and maybe many schools carefully and routinely report each reported assault. But there have been enough examples of schools who did not report that I perceive a trend.
The truly astonishing aspect is that MSU did not seem to learn from Penn State's experience, or Colorado's or Baylor's or ...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2018 15:29:55 GMT -5
So this issue is similar to the point which gave me pause during the Sandusky situation. Sitting here in my office, I just can't see why any administrator would have any instinct to cover these things up. In hindsight, it seems obvious that reporting and vigorous internal follow up is not only the right thing for the victims, but also beneficial for the protection of all staff, students and others who work with the University. It always seemed to me that a school would benefit in numerous (albeit less important ways) from disclosure. Yet, regardless of the particulars, or which University has been involved, it seems like the consistent first instinct has been to cover things up. Obviously, we only hear about the worst cases, and maybe many schools carefully and routinely report each reported assault. But there have been enough examples of schools who did not report that I perceive a trend. The truly astonishing aspect is that MSU did not seem to learn from Penn State's experience, or Colorado's or Baylor's or ... I think it's an organizational/management pathology. Normally, people who rise to the top in bureaucracies aren't those who believe in full disclosure. It's not just schools that manifest this cover-up approach. You'll find it in all large organizations. |
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Post by elliotberton on Jan 30, 2018 15:36:11 GMT -5
So this issue is similar to the point which gave me pause during the Sandusky situation. Sitting here in my office, I just can't see why any administrator would have any instinct to cover these things up. In hindsight, it seems obvious that reporting and vigorous internal follow up is not only the right thing for the victims, but also beneficial for the protection of all staff, students and others who work with the University. It always seemed to me that a school would benefit in numerous (albeit less important ways) from disclosure. Yet, regardless of the particulars, or which University has been involved, it seems like the consistent first instinct has been to cover things up. Obviously, we only hear about the worst cases, and maybe many schools carefully and routinely report each reported assault. But there have been enough examples of schools who did not report that I perceive a trend. The truly astonishing aspect is that MSU did not seem to learn from Penn State's experience, or Colorado's or Baylor's or ... I think it's an organizational/management pathology. Normally, people who rise to the top in bureaucracies aren't those who believe in full disclosure. It's not just schools that manifest this cover-up approach. You'll find it in all large organizations. The evidence available supports your hypothesis. But I can't believe schools as big as MSU and PSU don't have lawyers and marketing folks who would say "Hey we can turn this into a positive for everybody including our school and athletic programs." We certainly know that PSU had counsel and she either dropped the ball or her advice was ignored. |
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Post by traveler on Mar 2, 2018 23:16:17 GMT -5
More along same lines, this time in Illinois, as reported, in part, today by the NYT...
A prominent volleyball coach in Illinois is accused of sexually abusing and raping teenage athletes in the 1980s, in hotel rooms, on a train and elsewhere, according to a class-action lawsuit filed this week.
The coach, Rick Butler, and his wife, Cheryl, deceived parents and young players into joining the Sports Performance Volleyball Club in Aurora, Ill., the lawsuit claims, “based upon false information and material omissions” regarding allegations of “sexual abuse of underage girls” by Mr. Butler.
The Butlers were named as defendants in the lawsuit, which was filed in District Court in Illinois on Tuesday by Laura Mullen, the mother of an athlete who trained at the club in 2012. Ms. Mullen said that she would never have sent her daughters to the club had she known about the allegations against Mr. Butler.
much more detail on line. But here's a tie-in with MSU:
The lawsuit in Illinois claims an M.S.U. coach had helped Mr. Butler identify recruits and took an “active role” in discouraging his alleged victims from speaking out.
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Post by stillkicking on Mar 3, 2018 5:46:35 GMT -5
More along same lines, this time in Illinois, as reported, in part, today by the NYT... A prominent volleyball coach in Illinois is accused of sexually abusing and raping teenage athletes in the 1980s, in hotel rooms, on a train and elsewhere, according to a class-action lawsuit filed this week.The coach, Rick Butler, and his wife, Cheryl, deceived parents and young players into joining the Sports Performance Volleyball Club in Aurora, Ill., the lawsuit claims, “based upon false information and material omissions” regarding allegations of “sexual abuse of underage girls” by Mr. Butler.The Butlers were named as defendants in the lawsuit, which was filed in District Court in Illinois on Tuesday by Laura Mullen, the mother of an athlete who trained at the club in 2012. Ms. Mullen said that she would never have sent her daughters to the club had she known about the allegations against Mr. Butler.much more detail on line. But here's a tie-in with MSU: The lawsuit in Illinois claims an M.S.U. coach had helped Mr. Butler identify recruits and took an “active role” in discouraging his alleged victims from speaking out.If they are guilty, they should spend a very long time in prison. Garbage like that should not enjoy the light of day |
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Post by tillie on Mar 3, 2018 9:07:24 GMT -5
I am surprised that this is a new challenge as the Rick Butler case is very, very old given that one of our players knew the person that was the victim.
But again he was penalized and restricted severely all that time ago and it was common knowledge amongst the volleyball community before 2000.
Rick and Cheryl developed probably one of the leading volleyball clubs in the country and many , many of the setters over the last 15 years that had success in college were graduates of his intensive programs. In addition he developed new tournaments and a different league almost that was used by many of the very strong volleyball clubs these past 20 years.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2018 9:25:06 GMT -5
I just realized that Wisconsin's former setter played for Sports Performance Volleyball Club.
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