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Post by stillkicking on Dec 12, 2018 20:03:28 GMT -5
Congratulations to all our ladies who have received post season honors, good job ladies keep it up.
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Post by elliotberton on Dec 12, 2018 21:43:49 GMT -5
Never mind, White is....I was thinking of Hitters Pretty good indicator that the 2018 Team overachieved. Or more likely that the sum was greater than the individual parts. I marvel at how well the staff was able to integrate so many new players into a cohesive defensive unit. Statistically one of the all time best defensive seasons PSU has had. |
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Post by traveler on Dec 12, 2018 23:25:31 GMT -5
Elliott: would love to know more about the metrics you're using on D. Thanks.
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Post by elliotberton on Dec 13, 2018 13:44:17 GMT -5
Elliott: would love to know more about the metrics you're using on D. Thanks. Per GoPSUSports (12/6/18) "Penn State is currently averaging 14.90 digs per set, which ..., would crush the 25-point rally scoring era record of 14.72 which was set in 2010.... As a whole, Penn State's defense is holding opponents to just .164 hitting...." Of course after last weekend, the opponents' hitting percentage went up some. But, not too long ago, Nyline posted some historical defensive percentages that were better, but not by so much. Hence my comment. |
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Post by nyline on Dec 13, 2018 15:06:22 GMT -5
Elliott: would love to know more about the metrics you're using on D. Thanks. Per GoPSUSports (12/6/18) "Penn State is currently averaging 14.90 digs per set, which ..., would crush the 25-point rally scoring era record of 14.72 which was set in 2010.... As a whole, Penn State's defense is holding opponents to just .164 hitting...." Of course after last weekend, the opponents' hitting percentage went up some. But, not too long ago, Nyline posted some historical defensive percentages that were better, but not by so much. Hence my comment. I'm never sure how meaningful the digs/set is -- because to a degree, it reflects a less-terminal team, with long rallies. Of course, that team needs to make those digs to keep those long rallies going, but if a hitter put the ball down earlier in a rally, those digs would evaporate. I do agree that using the eye test (given my eyes, and general lack of volleyball savvy) this year's team appeared to me to be better than the 2015, 2016 and 2017 teams. Tillie, what's your thought for best metrics to use, and how do you think this year's team stacked up? |
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Post by elliotberton on Dec 13, 2018 16:37:50 GMT -5
Per GoPSUSports (12/6/18) "Penn State is currently averaging 14.90 digs per set, which ..., would crush the 25-point rally scoring era record of 14.72 which was set in 2010.... As a whole, Penn State's defense is holding opponents to just .164 hitting...." Of course after last weekend, the opponents' hitting percentage went up some. But, not too long ago, Nyline posted some historical defensive percentages that were better, but not by so much. Hence my comment. I'm never sure how meaningful the digs/set is -- because to a degree, it reflects a less-terminal team, with long rallies. Of course, that team needs to make those digs to keep those long rallies going, but if a hitter put the ball down earlier in a rally, those digs would evaporate. I do agree that using the eye test (given my eyes, and general lack of volleyball savvy) this year's team appeared to me to be better than the 2015, 2016 and 2017 teams. Tillie, what's your thought for best metrics to use, and how do you think this year's team stacked up? I agree. If a team is more efficient on offense then it faces fewer attacks and hence will have less digs. I would guess opponents hitting percentage would better capture things like blocking, which is an integral part of the ability to dig, and score points. This group kept most of its opponents to low percentages. Looking forward to Tillie's observations. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2018 20:03:36 GMT -5
Per GoPSUSports (12/6/18) "Penn State is currently averaging 14.90 digs per set, which ..., would crush the 25-point rally scoring era record of 14.72 which was set in 2010.... As a whole, Penn State's defense is holding opponents to just .164 hitting...." Of course after last weekend, the opponents' hitting percentage went up some. But, not too long ago, Nyline posted some historical defensive percentages that were better, but not by so much. Hence my comment. I'm never sure how meaningful the digs/set is -- because to a degree, it reflects a less-terminal team, with long rallies. Of course, that team needs to make those digs to keep those long rallies going, but if a hitter put the ball down earlier in a rally, those digs would evaporate. I do agree that using the eye test (given my eyes, and general lack of volleyball savvy) this year's team appeared to me to be better than the 2015, 2016 and 2017 teams. Tillie, what's your thought for best metrics to use, and how do you think this year's team stacked up? I remember in the 2013-14 era that Wisconsin fans used to rave about their out-of-this-world dig statistics. At the time, I was ignorant, and PSU had a few terminators, and I thought that dig statistics were for losers. I remember that a PSU fan, was it Phillytom(?), did a write-up and pretty much destroyed the Wisconsin arguments, making the point that better kill percentages and blocks/set were better indicators for success. Wish I could find that write-up. |
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Post by Millennium on Dec 14, 2018 5:58:02 GMT -5
I'm never sure how meaningful the digs/set is -- because to a degree, it reflects a less-terminal team, with long rallies. Of course, that team needs to make those digs to keep those long rallies going, but if a hitter put the ball down earlier in a rally, those digs would evaporate. I do agree that using the eye test (given my eyes, and general lack of volleyball savvy) this year's team appeared to me to be better than the 2015, 2016 and 2017 teams. Tillie, what's your thought for best metrics to use, and how do you think this year's team stacked up? I remember in the 2013-14 era that Wisconsin fans used to rave about their out-of-this-world dig statistics. At the time, I was ignorant, and PSU had a few terminators, and I thought that dig statistics were for losers. I remember that a PSU fan, was it Phillytom(?), did a write-up and pretty much destroyed the Wisconsin arguments, making the point that better kill percentages and blocks/set were better indicators for success. Wish I could find that write-up.
As far as PSU is concerned, I recall showing a statistical analysis and saying something about blocks/set and hitting efficiency being far better indicators of success (i.e., winning a NC) than digs/set.
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Post by traveler on Dec 14, 2018 11:37:53 GMT -5
I remember thinking how fabulous Holehouse was and always sad she didn't get the recognition. But her digs/set trailed others...we just didn't need her the way we need Kendall. That was a wall back there then.
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Post by elliotberton on Dec 14, 2018 18:30:50 GMT -5
There are some teams who win primarily because of their defense, and others that win primarily because of offense. Digs do not score points, so blocks and kills and Aces per set are clearly more telling statistics. However, a good defense can make up for insufficient offense. This year, both Penn State and Nebraska played great defense and each was seeded and then advanced in this tournament. Even though it is never as pretty as when a team hits over .300, it is still very exciting to watch folks play defense.
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Post by tillie on Dec 14, 2018 21:28:49 GMT -5
Elliot
I think your right on
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