cindy
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Post by cindy on Apr 7, 2022 17:55:19 GMT -5
wow - that is surprising
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Post by nyline on Apr 7, 2022 19:32:26 GMT -5
I was just watching a wrestling podcast (FRL) and they displayed a chart of which NCAA sports were most involved in allegations of rules violations over the past three years. The chart showed that, on average, women's volleyball represented 10% of all allegations. That percentage essentially tied women's volleyball with women's track and field for third most investigated sports behind only men's basketball and football! I found that to be surprising. I wonder whether those statistics aren't related to the number of programs and athletes involved in women's volleyball and women's track and field compared to the number in other sports. Wrestling, for example, has only about 70 D1 programs (I think -- correct me if I'm wrong). Women's volleyball -- just at the D1 level -- has way over 200, I think, with a large number of programs competing at the D2 level as well. I'd be interested in two statistics -- % of actual proven cases of rules violations (as opposed to allegations) ranked by number of programs, number of athletes (and number of scholarship athletes), and by total on-the-books budgets. I suspect there would be different rankings for all of those indices, and that they would differ from the rankings simply by sport. |
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Post by elliotberton on Apr 7, 2022 22:25:30 GMT -5
Just read a story that Grambling's new coach dismissed every player on the Women's VB team. Apparently, new coach has recruited all new players from the Portal. I can't help but think that at least some (all?) of the 19 young ladies who were on scholarship wanted to go to school at Grambling (that is be student athletes) and now they will have to scramble to either pay tuition or find another school willing to take them. I guess this can happen when we treat these students like pro athletes.
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Post by treblejig on Apr 8, 2022 4:46:07 GMT -5
Just read a story that Grambling's new coach dismissed every player on the Women's VB team. Apparently, new coach has recruited all new players from the Portal. I can't help but think that at least some (all?) of the 19 young ladies who were on scholarship wanted to go to school at Grambling (that is be student athletes) and now they will have to scramble to either pay tuition or find another school willing to take them. I guess this can happen when we treat these students like pro athletes. And here we go. The times are a-changin'. |
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Post by nyline on Apr 8, 2022 5:03:47 GMT -5
Just read a story that Grambling's new coach dismissed every player on the Women's VB team. Apparently, new coach has recruited all new players from the Portal. I can't help but think that at least some (all?) of the 19 young ladies who were on scholarship wanted to go to school at Grambling (that is be student athletes) and now they will have to scramble to either pay tuition or find another school willing to take them. I guess this can happen when we treat these students like pro athletes. And here we go. The times are a-changin'. Yep. |
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Post by pinkpanther on Apr 8, 2022 11:29:45 GMT -5
I read some of the thread on this on Volleytalk. I have to put on a huge BS filter every time I read through their threads, but one thing that stood out to me in that discussion was the mention that they were near the very, very bottom of the 300+ D1 teams, and almost lost to a D3 team. I have to imagine that if that's where things were, I could see a really dramatic change being necessary, even if it was one likely to lead to lots of gossip and questioning of motives by folks like us on the internet. Not to say I disagree with the idea that times are changing with the transfer portal, just saying that my initial interpretation of what might be going on didn't last as I read some more details.
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Post by elliotberton on Apr 8, 2022 20:34:50 GMT -5
I read some of the thread on this on Volleytalk. I have to put on a huge BS filter every time I read through their threads, but one thing that stood out to me in that discussion was the mention that they were near the very, very bottom of the 300+ D1 teams, and almost lost to a D3 team. I have to imagine that if that's where things were, I could see a really dramatic change being necessary, even if it was one likely to lead to lots of gossip and questioning of motives by folks like us on the internet. Not to say I disagree with the idea that times are changing with the transfer portal, just saying that my initial interpretation of what might be going on didn't last as I read some more details. So I guess part of the issue is what the school wants from their particular sports programs. For example, PSU cares a lot about winning, and that focus has a large impact on the folks who are recruited and admitted. Other schools, like in the Ivy League, appear to balance winning with other factors-in short, the Ivies aren't expecting to win championships. I don't know much about Grambling-but I would have guessed that it would have a less intense focus on winning. Apparently, my guess was way off at least where the WVB team is concerned. |
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Post by nyline on Apr 8, 2022 21:21:53 GMT -5
I read some of the thread on this on Volleytalk. I have to put on a huge BS filter every time I read through their threads, but one thing that stood out to me in that discussion was the mention that they were near the very, very bottom of the 300+ D1 teams, and almost lost to a D3 team. I have to imagine that if that's where things were, I could see a really dramatic change being necessary, even if it was one likely to lead to lots of gossip and questioning of motives by folks like us on the internet. Not to say I disagree with the idea that times are changing with the transfer portal, just saying that my initial interpretation of what might be going on didn't last as I read some more details. So I guess part of the issue is what the school wants from their particular sports programs. For example, PSU cares a lot about winning, and that focus has a large impact on the folks who are recruited and admitted. Other schools, like in the Ivy League, appear to balance winning with other factors- in short, the Ivies aren't expecting to win championships. I don't know much about Grambling-but I would have guessed that it would have a less intense focus on winning. Apparently, my guess was way off at least where the WVB team is concerned. Well, maybe not National Championships (except in 1) wrestling, where Cornell, Princeton and, perhaps soon, Penn, are expecting to win individual National Titles, 2) fencing, and 3) lacrosse -- I may be missing some), but I can assure you that Ivy teams are interested in winning the Ivy Title. So, different levels of competition, different expectations on the national stage, but definitely looking to win. Interestingly, two former Penn track & field athletes (now husband and wife) have pledged $60,000,000 for a new state-of-the-are indoor track facility for West Philadelphia. There currenly is no olympic-level indoor track facility in Philadelphia. Who knows where that will lead, but I have to believe Penn will be a competitive track & field program moving forward. |
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Post by elliotberton on Apr 8, 2022 22:12:20 GMT -5
So I guess part of the issue is what the school wants from their particular sports programs. For example, PSU cares a lot about winning, and that focus has a large impact on the folks who are recruited and admitted. Other schools, like in the Ivy League, appear to balance winning with other factors- in short, the Ivies aren't expecting to win championships. I don't know much about Grambling-but I would have guessed that it would have a less intense focus on winning. Apparently, my guess was way off at least where the WVB team is concerned. Well, maybe not National Championships (except in 1) wrestling, where Cornell, Princeton and, perhaps soon, Penn, are expecting to win individual National Titles, 2) fencing, and 3) lacrosse -- I may be missing some), but I can assure you that Ivy teams are interested in winning the Ivy Title. So, different levels of competition, different expectations on the national stage, but definitely looking to win. Interestingly, two former Penn track & field athletes (now husband and wife) have pledged $60,000,000 for a new state-of-the-are indoor track facility for West Philadelphia. There currenly is no olympic-level indoor track facility in Philadelphia. Who knows where that will lead, but I have to believe Penn will be a competitive track & field program moving forward. Of course every school wants to win. But there are differences in what each school is prepared to do for the result. Will a school substantially lower admissions standards? Pay a player's coach? Have alumni who will pool money to make sure players get NILs money? I just thought Grambling had other priorities that would have precluded firing an entire team. |
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Post by treblejig on Apr 9, 2022 6:11:39 GMT -5
To me, it's yet another thing in a long line of things in life in recently that are just not right and any attempts to try to justify it becomes more of the same.
And in a few years perhaps it will be called strategy.
Sigh.
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Post by nyline on Apr 9, 2022 7:38:42 GMT -5
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Post by goldengoal on Apr 10, 2022 19:38:44 GMT -5
So I guess part of the issue is what the school wants from their particular sports programs. For example, PSU cares a lot about winning, and that focus has a large impact on the folks who are recruited and admitted. Other schools, like in the Ivy League, appear to balance winning with other factors- in short, the Ivies aren't expecting to win championships. I don't know much about Grambling-but I would have guessed that it would have a less intense focus on winning. Apparently, my guess was way off at least where the WVB team is concerned. Well, maybe not National Championships (except in 1) wrestling, where Cornell, Princeton and, perhaps soon, Penn, are expecting to win individual National Titles, 2) fencing, and 3) lacrosse -- I may be missing some), but I can assure you that Ivy teams are interested in winning the Ivy Title. So, different levels of competition, different expectations on the national stage, but definitely looking to win. Interestingly, two former Penn track & field athletes (now husband and wife) have pledged $60,000,000 for a new state-of-the-are indoor track facility for West Philadelphia. There currenly is no olympic-level indoor track facility in Philadelphia. Who knows where that will lead, but I have to believe Penn will be a competitive track & field program moving forward. Individual wrestling champions? Cornell, absolutely, though whether they will maintain their success with Rob Koll decamping to Stanford last year is hard to say. Princeton has a very strong program, and I was cheering for Pat Glory this year, but I don't believe they hve had a national champion since 1951. Penn is on an upward trajectory, but their last individual champion was in 2000. (Stanford and Penn both have recent PSU wrestlers on their staffs.) As for fencing, Penn has won 3 national championships and Princeton, 2. Penn State has won 14. |
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Post by dc155 on Apr 10, 2022 20:44:55 GMT -5
Well, maybe not National Championships (except in 1) wrestling, where Cornell, Princeton and, perhaps soon, Penn, are expecting to win individual National Titles, 2) fencing, and 3) lacrosse -- I may be missing some), but I can assure you that Ivy teams are interested in winning the Ivy Title. So, different levels of competition, different expectations on the national stage, but definitely looking to win. Interestingly, two former Penn track & field athletes (now husband and wife) have pledged $60,000,000 for a new state-of-the-are indoor track facility for West Philadelphia. There currenly is no olympic-level indoor track facility in Philadelphia. Who knows where that will lead, but I have to believe Penn will be a competitive track & field program moving forward. Individual wrestling champions? Cornell, absolutely, though whether they will maintain their success with Rob Koll decamping to Stanford last year is hard to say. Princeton has a very strong program, and I was cheering for Pat Glory this year, but I don't believe they hve had a national champion since 1951. Penn is on an upward trajectory, but their last individual champion was in 2000. (Stanford and Penn both have recent PSU wrestlers on their staffs.) As for fencing, Penn has won 3 national championships and Princeton, 2. Penn State has won 14. On the topic of Ivies winning at fencing - Columbia has won 3 Team Titles the past 7 NCAAs. As for PSU, I fear that the recent scandal/drama/controversy may have disrupted enough momentum for us to remain a perennial contender... time will tell. |
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Post by ethankasales on Apr 15, 2022 15:30:38 GMT -5
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Post by traveler on Apr 15, 2022 20:23:27 GMT -5
PSU fans will recall pre-conference and/or early NCAA rounds at or with American University, helmed by Barry Goldberg. PSU last visited AU ~5 years ago when we also visited Howard. Goldberg reached 600 wins that season IIRC. He has been diagnosed w/stage-4 cancer, recently diagnosed as stomach cancer, and has been undergoing treatment since early/mid March according to a family website. Until recently, he was also running the very successful Metro Volleyball Club that without fail recruits the cream of the crop of DMV (District, Maryland, Virginia) players. Learned this from a tip on the other volleyball site.
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