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Post by coolbean on Sept 24, 2022 20:04:23 GMT -5
Volleyball is a game of momentum. Sometimes a team gets in a zone and there's nothing you can do about it. I wouldn't make any sweeping conclusions based on one match. Let's see what happens the next match. Next match is @ Wisconsin, another 3-0?
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Post by nyline on Sept 24, 2022 20:04:58 GMT -5
I think PSU was a little flat against Indiana, expecting to win without too much effort. That's no excuse for not playing up to potential for a team with a goal of going deep into the NCAA tournament. Without seeing the Michigan match, only watching the score, it seemed like PSU ran into a buzz saw.
I actually think the loss could be a blessing in disguise. It exposes what needs to be improved. PSU was going to lose at some point; probably better to get that humility and learning experience early in the conference schedule.
Well said, pennstate1973
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Post by dc155 on Sept 24, 2022 20:14:41 GMT -5
Tonight was a good reminder that every opponent, regardless of what ranking Penn State has or doesn't have, will give their 100% best to beat a 7x National Championship Team.
That said, with all the accolades that the team has been receiving (or in Nick Saban's words - "rat poison") and in seeing the team chanting after the Indiana match (last night) that they were "undefeated"... it made me wonder how the team would handle all of the recent praise... whether it would ease the "hungriness" that was fueling the team during the non-conference schedule.
Maybe I'm assuming too much and they're just as hungry as they've been, but the team definitely didn't seem to have the aggressive spark from before they proved that they can win.
Onward to the next match. Hopefully this weekend is what gets the team to clean up anything that was exposed before they go against Wisconsin next weekend!
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Post by seeyajohn on Sept 24, 2022 21:08:41 GMT -5
I can’t really comment on how bad this was because I abandoned ship 12 points into the second set. Maybe I can gather myself to review the carnage tomorrow and attempt to assess the future outlook.
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Post by ethankasales on Sept 24, 2022 22:27:16 GMT -5
Here’s a recap of Penn State’s first loss of the season earlier tonight at Rec Hall, a 3-0 sweep by Michigan. Jess Mruzik led the Wolverines with a match-high 14 kills. Penn State hit .105 in the loss. Quotes from KSC, Maddy Bilinovic, and Taylor Trammell have been added. dignittanyvolleyball.com/penn-state-volleyball-swept-by-michigan/
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Post by volleyaudience1 on Sept 24, 2022 22:34:45 GMT -5
This was not the outcome I had planned for the Michigan Penn State match.
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Post by ethankasales on Sept 24, 2022 23:03:07 GMT -5
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Post by ethankasales on Sept 24, 2022 23:03:47 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2022 23:15:58 GMT -5
I think PSU was a little flat against Indiana, expecting to win without too much effort. That's no excuse for not playing up to potential for a team with a goal of going deep into the NCAA tournament. Without seeing the Michigan match, only watching the score, it seemed like PSU ran into a buzz saw.
I actually think the loss could be a blessing in disguise. It exposes what needs to be improved. PSU was going to lose at some point; probably better to get that humility and learning experience early in the conference schedule.
I agree 100% with both your last 2 posts. People getting too excited because of the Stanford and Oregon wins and too down on this loss. Context is important. We are not in a bad place. At the start of the season, most of us had low expectations for this team and coaching staff. It's not like we were going to go undefeated.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2022 23:27:27 GMT -5
Well, you can kiss the top 10 in the AVCA poll goodbye. Good, I'm glad. After the Stanford and Oregon wins I still thought they belonged in the 10-15 range in the rankings. They will have their upsets and their ugly losses this season. I still think PSU can beat Wisconsin and Nebraska, and yet lose to Northwestern or Maryland. It's going to be one of those seasons. I'll be satisfied if this team makes it to the 3rd round of the playoffs.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2022 23:32:23 GMT -5
That said, with all the accolades that the team has been receiving (or in Nick Saban's words - "rat poison") and in seeing the team chanting after the Indiana match (last night) that they were "undefeated"... it made me wonder how the team would handle all of the recent praise... whether it would ease the "hungriness" that was fueling the team during the non-conference schedule. You know, I'm happy you pointed this out. I had no idea, but now I know why they lost to MI. Yesterday, I was going to comment on how I'd hoped that the team was not drinking the cool aide and buying into the hype. Chants like that don't help a team. The team needs to stay humble and hungry in order to grind out wins. I vaguely recall a reporter asking Phillies pitcher Cliff Lee if his responses were prideful, and he responded that they reflected confidence. Confidence is important, pride is a disease.
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Post by jojonito on Sept 25, 2022 2:21:36 GMT -5
That said, with all the accolades that the team has been receiving (or in Nick Saban's words - "rat poison") a nd in seeing the team chanting after the Indiana match (last night) that they were "undefeated"... it made me wonder how the team would handle all of the recent praise... whether it would ease the "hungriness" that was fueling the team during the non-conference schedule. I missed that yesterday. But it sure shows why they looked so bad against MI. Anybody celebrating after the IND match has issues, absolutely nothing to be proud of in that match. They played horribly against IND and back in the day, RR would have given them a 4 hr practice as a reward
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Post by EnglishPennStateFan on Sept 25, 2022 4:36:38 GMT -5
I think PSU was a little flat against Indiana, expecting to win without too much effort. That's no excuse for not playing up to potential for a team with a goal of going deep into the NCAA tournament. Without seeing the Michigan match, only watching the score, it seemed like PSU ran into a buzz saw.
I actually think the loss could be a blessing in disguise. It exposes what needs to be improved. PSU was going to lose at some point; probably better to get that humility and learning experience early in the conference schedule.
Very sensible view PS73 - Michigan brutally exposed where PSU's weaknesses are and KSC must act swiftly to address them. If she cannot significantly improve the team with the players she has, then the season is over as far as the NCAA tournament is concerned and she must already start working towards 2023. If that means benching all the players who will be gone in 2023 then so be it. I acknowledge that, as a Brit, I don't fully understand how everything works in the US collegiate system but I do know that as a PSU fan who visited Rec Hall in Sept 2019 and met Rose, Parker and White, I went to bed this morning at 2.30am very very disappointed (and tired!)
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Post by nyline on Sept 25, 2022 9:39:24 GMT -5
I think PSU was a little flat against Indiana, expecting to win without too much effort. That's no excuse for not playing up to potential for a team with a goal of going deep into the NCAA tournament. Without seeing the Michigan match, only watching the score, it seemed like PSU ran into a buzz saw.
I actually think the loss could be a blessing in disguise. It exposes what needs to be improved. PSU was going to lose at some point; probably better to get that humility and learning experience early in the conference schedule.
Very sensible view PS73 - Michigan brutally exposed where PSU's weaknesses are and KSC must act swiftly to address them. If she cannot significantly improve the team with the players she has, then the season is over as far as the NCAA tournament is concerned and she must already start working towards 2023. If that means benching all the players who will be gone in 2023 then so be it. I acknowledge that, as a Brit, I don't fully understand how everything works in the US collegiate system but I do know that as a PSU fan who visited Rec Hall in Sept 2019 and met Rose, Parker and White, I went to bed this morning at 2.30am very very disappointed (and tired!) I don't have any coaching attributes, knowledge or skill -- and I know you actually have coached volleyball at a pretty high level in England -- so my opinion is basically fact-free and this post is made with the understanding that you have alot more "street cred" than I do, but it's a message board, so here's my opinion. I don't think you actually were advocating for Coach Katie to bench all the players in their last year of eligibility, and were only saying that move shouldn't be off the table, but in my opinion, it is not possible that Coach Katie will bench "all the players who will be gone in 2023." First, it's not like the level of play of those players (Leisa Elisaia, Kash Williams, and Nasta Kudryashova) was significantly worse than the other players. In fact, Kash had the best offensive performance (though still decidedly lackluster) on the team, with 9 kills. Nasta came in as a sub (so she was already on the bench) and had 3 kills in 8 attempts with zero errors. Objectively very good. And Leisa was running all over the court all night to set passes that were way way off the net. That needs to be taken into account when judging her performance. I think there are four factors that probably explain the loss to Michigan. First, Michigan appears to be a very good team. Second, they played Rutgers the night before. My guess is they devoted less time to prepping for Rutgers than they did prepping for Penn State. Third -- the girls were "flat" or "overconfident" or whatever. Against a very good team (like Michigan) complacency is not a good thing. You need that edge. Fourth -- and I definitely don't have the analytic skill to know whether this is true -- but isn't it possible that in addition to all the other factors, that Michigan's coaching staff did a better job preparing their team than Penn State's coaching staff did preparing theirs? So maybe Penn State's staff simply had a "bad match." I don't really know (and that assessment is complicated because of the Rutgers factor -- I think Michigan's staff could scrimp on prepping for Rutgers, and devote extra time to prepping for Penn State.) No doubt about it -- this was a dispiriting loss. But Penn State had "good" wins against Stanford, Oregon and, as it turns out, LSU. The concerning thing for me about this loss is not that it's against a mediocre team (it isn't), but that it's the third match in a row where Penn State hasn't performed all that well, even though it won two of those matches. Something is a bit off. I believe the coaching staff will fix things. Time will tell.
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Post by psu1972 on Sept 25, 2022 9:42:53 GMT -5
I am new to this forum so may make some mistakes as I learn how to comment and post. Does anyone know why Hurta was in street clothes for the last two games?
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