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Post by traveler on Oct 9, 2022 16:34:59 GMT -5
The disparity between credited digs and total attacks is significant and interesting. I'm unable to get things to add up (but I'm probably missing something in how block touches that don't go for points are treated -- when that happens, there would be extra attacks). I would think that kills + attack errors + opponent digs (plus some stat on block touches that don't go for points) = total attacks. If that's correct, then for Illinois the result is 32 kills + 16 attack errors + 48 PSU blocks = 96 (although Illinois had 99 total attacks, so discrepancy of 3); for PSU the result is 47 kills + 22 attack errors + 33 Illinois digs = 102 (whereas PSU had 108 total attacks, so discrepancy of 6). Is that what you see also? Block errors are recorded as BE, to the right of BS and B in the stats sheets. IIRC a block that doesn't result in a point is not scored at all; the booth has recently started referring to them as blocks, but they're not really IMHO. I'm OK w/'she blocked it back over' or some such, but not technically a block. Another example that's sort of analogous: an L digs a ball but overpasses it. If it goes over the net, I believe it's recorded as a dig only. If it results in a point (as happens about once every 3 matches), it gets recorded as a TA and K. IIRC a bump pass is similarly scored. Not a TA/K stat unless it freakishly results in a point. |
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Post by jojonito on Oct 9, 2022 16:50:18 GMT -5
There are a lot of things about the production values (or lack thereof) that merit criticism. Yeah, while watching the replay I mostly turned the sound off cuz I didn't have a lot of patience today for the commentary by people who just don't know volleyball. I wish they'd make an effort to at least have color commentary by someone who has played volleyball and/or watched it enough to have a clue about it. I know, it's a student thing and that's just the way it's gonna be. I remember occasionally having color done by a member of the PSU's men team. Was pretty good. |
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Post by jojonito on Oct 9, 2022 16:54:43 GMT -5
The disparity between credited digs and total attacks is significant and interesting. I'm unable to get things to add up (but I'm probably missing something in how block touches that don't go for points are treated -- when that happens, there would be extra attacks). I would think that kills + attack errors + opponent digs (plus some stat on block touches that don't go for points) = total attacks. If that's correct, then for Illinois the result is 32 kills + 16 attack errors + 48 PSU blocks = 96 (although Illinois had 99 total attacks, so discrepancy of 3); for PSU the result is 47 kills + 22 attack errors + 33 Illinois digs = 102 (whereas PSU had 108 total attacks, so discrepancy of 6). Is that what you see also? I believe that part of the reason for the disparity is because, from what I've read, a dig should only be credited when it is done directly from an opposing player; in other words, it fhe ball comes off a block, it is not considered a dig. Plus, the ball must stay in play. That leads to the very weird situation where if a dig goes over the net and is played by the other team, that is considered a dig. Go figure. To add to what travelor said above, if a ball goes over the net from a defensive player and it falls to the floor that would be a kill, not a dig, as a dig con only be counted if it is successfully in play after the 'dig'. |
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Post by ethankasales on Oct 9, 2022 17:11:51 GMT -5
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Post by ethankasales on Oct 9, 2022 17:12:25 GMT -5
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Post by jojonito on Oct 9, 2022 17:13:13 GMT -5
I was apprehensive about this match. I watched part of the ILL vs PUR match, which PUR won while going 5 sets. PUR a pretty good team, and I was thinking, after watching that match, that ILL would be difficult for PSU to beat. But that was without figuring on Markley. Amazing. She hit 10-3-20 for .350 hitting percent. Wow. She has just gotten better and better. IMHO, she's improved a bunch in just a little while. Impressed by Markley's cross court kills at a really sharp angle. This takes a lot of pressure off of Kash as she doesn't need to do the 50 or more attempts with Markley doing well. I'm also impressed with Angelina Starck in accepting her reduced role with no pouting or hurt feelings. It was also nice to see katie Clark come in and do well. (She hit 4-1-7 for .429). I frankly have been wondering why Katie wasn't playing in place of Zoe earlier. Zoe has hit negative in a number of matches. Can't afford that for very long. When I saw #11 on the court, I had to look up the roster to see who it was.  The serving also has gotten better. Only 3 aces, but there were a number of PSU serves that put ILL out of system. PSU out dug ILL 48 to 33. In the OSU match, OSU out dug PSU 69 to 42. I really think that we might look back at the OSU match as a turning point in the season. I'm sure they'll be some ups and downs, but I really like where the team is right now. And nice to see some steady improvement. Edit: I just looked at the serving for both sides; PSU had 3 aces and 7 service errors while ILL had 1 ace and 9 service errors. I had thought while watching the match that ILL had a number of service errors. And from what I remember, (what little there is ) Some of ILL's service errors were at bad times. Curious if anyone thinks the same think about the ILL serve receive; it seemed to be that ILL was helpful to PSU in returning serves that really looked out to me. I know in the OSU match there seemed to be a lot of PSU serves that would have gone out if OSU had let them go. Edit2: I looked at the digs a bit ago. It was about what one would expect;l Maddy with 12, Cassie with 6, Grimes with 6, Leisa with 6. (I know, a bit repetitive . ) But what really stuck out was Angelina with 11. And that's just playing around half of the match. You can see why KSC keeps in her across the back row. Edit3: I keep remembering things that I had wanted to comment on and forgot. (I have a good memory, it's just short . ) Angelina had a really nice run serving when she served the ball short 3 or 4 times in a row and ILL didn't adjust to them. Showed really nice control putting the ball in the same place that many times in a row. I promise, my last edit. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2022 17:22:49 GMT -5
I was apprehensive about this match. I watched part of the ILL vs PUR match, which PUR won while going 5 sets. PUR a pretty good team, and I was thinking, after watching that match, that ILL would be difficult for PSU to beat. But that was without figuring on Markley. Amazing. She hit 10-3-20 for .350 hitting percent. Wow. She has just gotten better and better. IMHO, she's improved a bunch in just a little while. Impressed by Markley's cross court kills at a really sharp angle. This takes a lot of pressure off of Kash as she doesn't need to do the 50 or more attempts with Markley doing well. I'm also impressed with Angelina Starck in accepting her reduced role with no pouting or hurt feelings. It was also nice to see katie Clark come in and do well. (She hit 4-1-7 for .429). I frankly have been wondering why Katie wasn't playing in place of Zoe earlier. Zoe has hit negative in a number of matches. Can't afford that for very long. When I saw #11 on the court, I had to look up the roster to see who it was. The serving also has gotten better. Only 3 aces, but there were a number of PSU serves that put ILL out of system. PSU out dug ILL 48 to 33. In the OSU match, OSU out dug PSU 69 to 42. I really think that we might look back at the OSU match as a turning point in the season. I'm sure they'll be some ups and downs, but I really like where the team is right now. And nice to see some steady improvement. Nice summary. Thanks. |
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Post by ethankasales on Oct 9, 2022 17:30:28 GMT -5
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Post by traveler on Oct 9, 2022 17:54:42 GMT -5
There are a lot of things about the production values (or lack thereof) that merit criticism. Yeah, while watching the replay I mostly turned the sound off cuz I didn't have a lot of patience today for the commentary by people who just don't know volleyball. I wish they'd make an effort to at least have color commentary by someone who has played volleyball and/or watched it enough to have a clue about it. I know, it's a student thing and that's just the way it's gonna be. I remember occasionally having color done by a member of the PSU's men team. Was pretty good. I thought today was more refreshing. Emma Holt (sp?) has played (looked at her bio last year) and I didn't find anything to argue with that she said. I like things like her description of the sound of Katie Clark hitting the ball resounding through Rec Hall. She also described the hand position that was being used well or errantly on some of the attacks. Today I did not hear OOS being used incorrectly as the guys have in the past few weeks. Did not hear the players misidentified or go unnoticed til they had been in for 2 sets. Have not heard the errant term backslide that we had to live with over the last few years. And I'll say this: I don't think the idea that there's a popular women's sport should be used as an employment program for males. Train and hire as many women as possible for seats on the bench, in the booth, etc for women's sports...cause it aint happening much on the men's side. Lets all do what we can to support them. |
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Post by jojonito on Oct 9, 2022 18:02:06 GMT -5
I thought today was more refreshing. Emma Holt (sp?) has played (looked at her bio last year) and I didn't find anything to argue with that she said. I like things like her description of the sound of Katie Clark hitting the ball resounding through Rec Hall. She also described the hand position that was being used well or errantly on some of the attacks. I guess I just caught a phrase that struck me wrong and assumed, (yeah I know), that the rest would be the same. I'll give them more of a chance in the future. I wasn't pushing for male announcers. I don't care who's announcing. Just for someone who had played and was knowledgeable. I was thinking it would be harder to find women players as most of them are playing. |
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Post by pinkpanther on Oct 9, 2022 18:55:22 GMT -5
A couple of random thoughts from me:
Kash crushes the ball with such velocity, but today one of her swings was another level even for her. I can't remember a previous player who hit the ball as hard as her. Nicole Fawcett had that reputation, but even when Nicole hit a ball, I don't think I remember it looking quite as ferocious as some of Kash's swings.
What did the TV show of the play where Zoe got hurt? They gave the point to Ill, but Coach Katie was telling the refs that she felt the Ill player undercut Zoe.
I had been wondering if Coach was going to try a change with Zoe even before she got hurt. Katie came in and hit two really nice line shots, and one was one she bounced and looked like she hit it as hard as Kash. Zoe has made some great kills at crucial times, but she's also had hitting errors at bad times. I wonder if Katie gets a longer look even if Zoe's injury isn't serious? Katie looked really good.
The passing again was suspect for parts of the match. I was wondering if we would see more of Morioka again, and I keep wondering why Quinn isn't getting any opportunities with how up and down the others are passing.
It was great to see the team really fight and work through even the rough stretches. There were a lot of hustle plays that I don't remember seeing much of in the losses, so I do hope this is a turning point match. If PSU can tighten up the passing, I think we can beat anyone, but I'm really hoping not to see any matches like the Michigan one or stretches of errors like we had against Wisconsin & OSU.
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Post by jojonito on Oct 9, 2022 19:18:52 GMT -5
I just watched NW lose to OH 3-1, 25-21, 22-25, 22-25 & 15-25. NW took the first set but fell victim to some long runs in the 2nd and 3rd set that put them too far behind to make up.
That made me think of the remaining schedule for PSU. I thought of a prior post by seeyajohn. He thought that PSU would need to go 11-9 in the B1G to make it to the NCAA tournament.
PSU is now 3-3 in the B1G. PSU has 6 matches left against lower level teams they should beat; Maryland 2 games, Rutgers 2 games, Iowa 1 game, and Indiana 1 game. Granted, Maryland has taken them to 5 before, but they should beat all of these teams. From the teams they should beat list, PSU only plays Iowa once and Michigan State (who is rebuilding) once. Winning these 6 matches would give PSU a 9-3 record.
Then there are 2 games against some mid level teams, ILL 1 game and Northwestern 1 game. That leaves 6 games against the top tier teams of the league; Nebraska 1 game, Ohio State 1 game, Purdue 2 games, Wisconsin 1 game and Minnesota 1 game.
So if PSU beats both ILL and NW they're home free; BUT both of those matches are on the road. So if PSU loses one of those matches, that means that PSU needs to beat one of the top tier teams. Maybe OSU at home; Nebraska probably not. WISC and MINN probably not; Purdue maybe PSU wins the match at home; (Purdue on their home court is tough to beat).
So we will see. I'm with seeyajohn in his comment that if PSU goes 12-8 this year in conference, that would be a real coup for the coaches. I'm hopeful at this point in time.`
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Post by nyline on Oct 9, 2022 20:03:45 GMT -5
Angelina reminds me, in a way (not all ways) of Katie Price, who played for PSU through 2007 gopsusports.com/sports/womens-volleyball/roster/kate-price/7514She was the B1G Freshman of the Year in 2004, as an OH. By 2006, she started the season as PSU's libero, before transitioning to a back row/front row utility player. I think she was incredibly important in the 2007 season -- the first of the four-peat. |
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Post by jojonito on Oct 9, 2022 20:26:23 GMT -5
Angelina reminds me, in a way (not all ways) of Katie Price, who played for PSU through 2007 gopsusports.com/sports/womens-volleyball/roster/kate-price/7514She was the B1G Freshman of the Year in 2004, as an OH. By 2006, she started the season as PSU's libero, before transitioning to a back row/front row utility player. I think she was incredibly important in the 2007 season -- the first of the four-peat. Nice to know. This is before I started following PSU volleyball. Wish I had gotten a clue sooner |
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Post by nyline on Oct 9, 2022 21:31:03 GMT -5
I thought today was more refreshing. Emma Holt (sp?) has played (looked at her bio last year) and I didn't find anything to argue with that she said. I like things like her description of the sound of Katie Clark hitting the ball resounding through Rec Hall. She also described the hand position that was being used well or errantly on some of the attacks. First, I think it would be far better for the listeners, and also far better for the student announcers, if every broadcast included a pro broadcaster (or at least a very knowledgeable former player or coach). The students would learn from that person, and we listeners would benefit from a better broadcast. Having said that, I do think both announcers were better today (during the brief times I listened). I would be perfectly happy if both were women, and I appreciate that Emma has more familiarity with the game than Matt (I also looked her up), but sometimes she seems completely at sea. Her biggest problem is not knowing how to put her thoughts into bite-size bits. She tends to run on, trying to wrap up a concise thought, but too often she ends up with a word salad. Again, much better this match, but a long way to go. (And I get it -- she's a student; she's learning and will improve.) She finished up with a bit of a clanger when she praised Kash Williams performance (totally correctly!!!) but then said "with very few errors." Really? Kash had 15 kills, but she also had 8 errors and only hit .219. She's why Penn State won, but she had too many errors. I know Emma is a student, but having played the game, she should know that .219 means there was room to improve. Then again, she's inexperienced, and she will get better. |
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