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Post by cross5 on Sept 14, 2016 6:26:30 GMT -5
As many of us have commented on......this comes with drawbacks. www.collegian.psu.edu/sports/women_volleyball/article_5687a23e-7a34-11e6-9c7b-b3ce88d7ec2d.html
After the loss to North Carolina in the Penn State Classic — the Lions’ first home series of the season — Rose said a possible contributing factor to the loss was the inability of the coaches to “process the information” between games because there wasn’t much film on the other teams.
“I wouldn’t say it’s a seamless transition,” Rose said. “It’s, maybe, a little slower than I thought it would be and it might also be because I don’t want to sit around and have meetings and clarify everything I want. I want to say what I’m looking for and hope that they can do it and put their touch on some things.” |
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Post by nyline on Sept 14, 2016 7:27:04 GMT -5
As many of us have commented on......this comes with drawbacks. www.collegian.psu.edu/sports/women_volleyball/article_5687a23e-7a34-11e6-9c7b-b3ce88d7ec2d.html
After the loss to North Carolina in the Penn State Classic — the Lions’ first home series of the season — Rose said a possible contributing factor to the loss was the inability of the coaches to “process the information” between games because there wasn’t much film on the other teams.
“I wouldn’t say it’s a seamless transition,” Rose said. “It’s, maybe, a little slower than I thought it would be and it might also be because I don’t want to sit around and have meetings and clarify everything I want. I want to say what I’m looking for and hope that they can do it and put their touch on some things.”I hadn't thought of in-game ramifications. Duh. It makes sense. |
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Post by elliotberton on Sept 14, 2016 13:39:39 GMT -5
I am always a little uncertain how significant "processing the information" effects game play. If the original game plan is not working, then presumably Coach tells the players to do something else, changes the personnel, or starts the set with a different rotation. Then it comes down to player execution. I suppose I just don't fully understand what the assistants are being asked to track during a match and how that would effect decision making.
So for example, it was obvious in the North Carolina match that there was one rotation which was killing us. Yet Coach did not mix up the rotation, or change the players, and we suffered similar problems in all 5 sets. I assume that Coach did not want to disturb favorable match ups in the other rotations and just hoped that Washington, Frantti and/or the setter would find a way to stop the runs.
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Post by traveler on Sept 14, 2016 14:24:13 GMT -5
I've seen them adjusting. Salima is usually the setters' coach, but in CO she pulled White aside a lot when she rotated out. Had not seen her work with defenders in the past.
at PSU, it seemed every time Heidi rotated out, one of the new coaches pulled her aside. Often, she'd be the reason for the rotation...she just scored a point. But the guy pulling her aside looked really critical and no one was smiling. I was thinking they were being very hard on her and I wasn't sure she'd respond well to that.
In CO, it looked like someone else was working with her.
Glad to hear there is a Mr. Positive.
I've harped on the 'hire more women' message a lot...but i do think that it was good having two strong women associate head/assistant coaches last year. I don't think metrics can prove that a former successful men's players/personnel can make the transition, and i don't think the head/associate head coaches have time to inculcate women's values.
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Post by cross5 on Sept 14, 2016 15:40:16 GMT -5
I've harped on the 'hire more women' message a lot...but i do think that it was good having two strong women associate head/assistant coaches last year. I don't think metrics can prove that a former successful men's players/personnel can make the transition, and i don't think the head/associate head coaches have time to inculcate women's values. I totally disagree with the first part that....discussion for another day. However, On the other side of the coin, I'm not sure that metrics prove that a former successful women's Players/personnel can make that transition either. With all due respect, I have always witnessed first hand many a female player absolutely tune out their women coach, for what we would deem as personalty reasons mainly based on emotion and body language. Much of coaching is based on 3 things imo. Timing and delivery and sincere follow up(and I don't mean apologies but rather clarity if needed) |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2016 15:59:26 GMT -5
As many of us have commented on......this comes with drawbacks. www.collegian.psu.edu/sports/women_volleyball/article_5687a23e-7a34-11e6-9c7b-b3ce88d7ec2d.html
After the loss to North Carolina in the Penn State Classic — the Lions’ first home series of the season — Rose said a possible contributing factor to the loss was the inability of the coaches to “process the information” between games because there wasn’t much film on the other teams.
“I wouldn’t say it’s a seamless transition,” Rose said. “It’s, maybe, a little slower than I thought it would be and it might also be because I don’t want to sit around and have meetings and clarify everything I want. I want to say what I’m looking for and hope that they can do it and put their touch on some things.”Sorry, but "because I don’t want to sit around and have meetings and clarify everything I want. I want to say what I’m looking for and hope that they can do it and put their touch on some things” just doesn't cut it. I respect Coach Rose. Who can ague with his results? But can it be fun (or rewarding) working for someone who won't tell you what he wants? Then complains when you can't read his mind? |
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Post by nyline on Sept 14, 2016 16:36:27 GMT -5
As many of us have commented on......this comes with drawbacks. www.collegian.psu.edu/sports/women_volleyball/article_5687a23e-7a34-11e6-9c7b-b3ce88d7ec2d.html
After the loss to North Carolina in the Penn State Classic — the Lions’ first home series of the season — Rose said a possible contributing factor to the loss was the inability of the coaches to “process the information” between games because there wasn’t much film on the other teams.
“I wouldn’t say it’s a seamless transition,” Rose said. “It’s, maybe, a little slower than I thought it would be and it might also be because I don’t want to sit around and have meetings and clarify everything I want. I want to say what I’m looking for and hope that they can do it and put their touch on some things.”Sorry, but "because I don’t want to sit around and have meetings and clarify everything I want. I want to say what I’m looking for and hope that they can do it and put their touch on some things” just doesn't cut it. I respect Coach Rose. Who can ague with his results? But can it be fun (or rewarding) working for someone who won't tell you what he wants? Then complains when you can't read his mind? A couple of thoughts: 1) we don't know that Coach Rose was quoted in context (or accurately, though I'll assume the later); 2) I am guessing that if quoted accurately, Coach Rose didn't express his full idea on the topic. I can easily defend a manager thinking: "I've told employee 'A' I need/want 'x' from to be done. I haven't provided all of the specifics of what is encompassed in accomplishing "x," but a good employee will fill in the gaps. The alternative is to sit around all day, having meetings, and clarifying everything I want. At that point, I need employee "A" to step up their game, or if they can't, I need a new employee, because I don't have the time for that." I don't know if that's what Coach Rose meant, but I'll bet it's closer to that (without any implicit threat to any employee -- which my hypothetical could be interpreted to include) than it is to a "bad boss" who simply can't be bothered to give clear instructions. I am guessing Coach Rose gives very clear instructions, but they require staff to fill in gaps and act proactively. Going back to my interview with Coach Rose, at one point he said something to the effect of "If all the players know one of the players is forgetful, it's not up to me to monitor that player, they need to do it." He delegates on things he thinks free him up to do his job -- and/or that help the delegee grow professionally and/or personally. |
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Post by cross5 on Sept 14, 2016 16:53:49 GMT -5
As many of us have commented on......this comes with drawbacks. www.collegian.psu.edu/sports/women_volleyball/article_5687a23e-7a34-11e6-9c7b-b3ce88d7ec2d.html
After the loss to North Carolina in the Penn State Classic — the Lions’ first home series of the season — Rose said a possible contributing factor to the loss was the inability of the coaches to “process the information” between games because there wasn’t much film on the other teams.
“I wouldn’t say it’s a seamless transition,” Rose said. “It’s, maybe, a little slower than I thought it would be and it might also be because I don’t want to sit around and have meetings and clarify everything I want. I want to say what I’m looking for and hope that they can do it and put their touch on some things.”Sorry, but "because I don’t want to sit around and have meetings and clarify everything I want. I want to say what I’m looking for and hope that they can do it and put their touch on some things” just doesn't cut it. I respect Coach Rose. Who can ague with his results? But can it be fun (or rewarding) working for someone who won't tell you what he wants? Then complains when you can't read his mind? I would imagine, sometimes with significant staff turnover, energy and focus can be applied to the wrong areas. That can have detrimental effects to the "machine" and draining on a coach. Getting and keeping good personnel is difficult. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2016 19:14:05 GMT -5
As in many things, I often react too quickly. That said, this isn't Coach Rose's first rodeo. He knows words have meaning. I hope Nyline's interpretation is what he meant.
I'm sure he's feeling considerable frustration this year. He said his team seemed to quit against North Carolina. A quick glance at the team's cumulative stats shows a marked drop from how they were doing last year. Now, he's said his coaches are having difficulty implementing what he'd like. He has three games remaining that aren't necessarily sure things followed by the 20-game-B1G-grind in the country's toughest conference.
I didn't choose his words. I'd love to see the team become what we (in 2014) hoped it would be.
I worry that Coach Rose fears how precipitous this team's drop might be.
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Post by Millennium on Sept 14, 2016 19:49:07 GMT -5
As in many things, I often react too quickly. That said, this isn't Coach Rose's first rodeo. He knows words have meaning. I hope Nyline's interpretation is what he meant. I'm sure he's feeling considerable frustration this year. He said his team seemed to quit against North Carolina. A quick glance at the team's cumulative stats shows a marked drop from how they were doing last year. Now, he's said his coaches are having difficulty implementing what he'd like. He has three games remaining that aren't necessarily sure things followed by the 20-game-B1G-grind in the country's toughest conference. I didn't choose his words. I'd love to see the team become what we (in 2014) hoped it would be. I worry that Coach Rose fears how precipitous this team's drop might be. My conjecture is that deep down we are all a little concerned that Russ is beginning to back off a little and allowing others to run the show more, the results being fairly evident (hence the concern). |
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Post by goldengoal on Sept 14, 2016 21:02:13 GMT -5
If he's had enough and wants to get out, that's A-okay. Backing off a little, however, isn't fair to either his staff or his players. RR seems to revere Joe Paterno, but I cannot think of an instance when Paterno spoke this way about his assistants to the press.
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Post by bob2061 on Sept 14, 2016 23:33:34 GMT -5
I believe we might have multiple players who are playing with injuries because there are no satisfactory backups at this time. Unfortunately the grind of the season has only begun and there is no easy solutions here. We have all been spoiled by the fantastic success of past teams and now have to come back to reality - the other teams are just as good as ours is. I think the team is still searching for a leader who can perform as the go-to gal but no one has stepped up on offense. I think it is only fair to give the coaches more time to adjust to the talent that we have.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2016 8:31:37 GMT -5
Ok, admittedly I may have somewhat of a bias because I 've watched my niece play against the older Krause many times in high school and club (almost always on the receiving end of a beating) and being she's a PA kid I like to see how she's doing. She always played hard and had great court vision as a setter. I thought she played well last year in in the beginning of the season and inexplicably her playing time diminished. This year she didn't play against North Carolina (which I thought was odd when things weren't going well with the folks that were on the floor) but played against Colorado and Stanford (which I watched) and I thought she was more than solid (especially in the Stanford match) against arguably the two best teams we played this year and the defense seemed to be much improved. Now she's disappeared again, playing limited points. I don't get it. It may be a coincidence, but it's as if the team plays better when she's on the court. Yet it seems she is on a really short leash.
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Post by cross5 on Sept 15, 2016 10:12:20 GMT -5
Ok, admittedly I may have somewhat of a bias because I 've watched my niece play against the older Krause many times in high school and club (almost always on the receiving end of a beating) and being she's a PA kid I like to see how she's doing. She always played hard and had great court vision as a setter. I thought she played well last year in in the beginning of the season and inexplicably her playing time diminished. This year she didn't play against North Carolina (which I thought was odd when things weren't going well with the folks that were on the floor) but played against Colorado and Stanford (which I watched) and I thought she was more than solid (especially in the Stanford match) against arguably the two best teams we played this year and the defense seemed to be much improved. Now she's disappeared again, playing limited points. I don't get it. It may be a coincidence, but it's as if the team plays better when she's on the court. Yet it seems she is on a really short leash. I'll try here. For the past few years that sub/back row role was saved for either a serving sub or more specifically a serving sub who has the skills to play in the 1 spot /setting/opposite defensive position. This is a position that players like Bryanna, Taylor, Abbie and Wilma have played and trained there whole career. Due to lineup adjustments and needs in the passing game and the up/down play of our OH's passing/defense/hitting Coach Rose has realized he needs consistent help in the back row for not only defense but MORE importantly PASSING. This is why we see Keeton come in that sport everytime now for Heidi. She serves, plays defense and most importantly passes for 3 rotations and is doing a GREAT job at the last one which we need. None of the above options, Taylor, included have that skill set developed enough. Lainy is also very similar to Keeton (skill set wise) and although she possesses a much better serve, she isn't as consistent,yet, as a passer. Therefore she is either coming in for Ali or Simone for serve, defense and passing.....but not as automatically as Keeton. For now Keeton and Lainy seem to have locked up those roles - Keeton 100% of the time Lainy 25-100% for one of the OH's That leaves ALL 8+ the DS's/back up setters to the role of once in awhile sub for either Ali or Simone (dependent on how the game or player is flowing or who Lainy is going in for) and usually for a brief stint. If, however, we were to see a 6-2 at some point of the season then you would see both Abbie and Bryanna subbing and serving for an opposite (Heidi and  ) and serving and playing back row exclusively. That would change Keeton and Lainy exclusively to the OH's backrow sub role. If THAT happened you would see even less spot sub roles, imo. Those bench girls aren't doing anything wrong its more about the needs of the team and lineup it seems we need to go with at this point. But the players knew this going in. Point is as we get into B1G play I expect far far less lineup manipulations. Ultimately our point scorers need to produce at a higher clip and much more consistently and the W's will be coming in much easier and cleaner. again....semi-educated guess. |
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Post by traveler on Sept 15, 2016 13:51:29 GMT -5
Ok, admittedly I may have somewhat of a bias because I 've watched my niece play against the older Krause many times in high school and club (almost always on the receiving end of a beating) and being she's a PA kid I like to see how she's doing. She always played hard and had great court vision as a setter. I thought she played well last year in in the beginning of the season and inexplicably her playing time diminished. This year she didn't play against North Carolina (which I thought was odd when things weren't going well with the folks that were on the floor) but played against Colorado and Stanford (which I watched) and I thought she was more than solid (especially in the Stanford match) against arguably the two best teams we played this year and the defense seemed to be much improved. Now she's disappeared again, playing limited points. I don't get it. It may be a coincidence, but it's as if the team plays better when she's on the court. Yet it seems she is on a really short leash. It's possible that Coach is trying to give those he sees doing well in that week's practices a shot and see what they do under the bright lights. so far the only one i haven't seen in much is Mueller. (The newbies that were on medical restrictions i assume still are sitting out: Krause the younger; Graham; one other...) I'd also note that Rivera seems to be getting less time, and I think that is because of error rates. But I agree that Krause the elder looked unflappable in CO...not just her numbers but her demeanor. Hard to do in a loss v CO. It's possible that gave Coach the info he needed and didn't need her for the less stressful tournament in NY...hence Sciorra. |
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