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Post by traveler on Sept 25, 2021 10:58:27 GMT -5
I watched the MI-MN match (Salima) on BTN. Wow. MI won sets 3 & 4 and were blocking terrifically, forcing a lot of hitting errors from the Gophers. They were more exciting to watch than Samedy, so that's saying something. MN was at home in front of a crazy crowd...making it hard to understand how they got so far back on their heels. And the crazy thing: I think the MI team almost would have been satisfied to win just one set. At the close of set 3, there was such celebration. But they didn't let up until the very end. Moral victory lol.
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Post by nyline on Sept 25, 2021 11:21:13 GMT -5
RSF. Resting Scowl Face. He said he thought the venue...they apparently played in the small gym down the hall from the arena...with lots of hyped-up fans played a role. That doesn't sound logical to me, but that's what he said. BTW: The box score on both the UMD and WI sites show WI winning set 4 26-0. So I guess it's official. Just wonder how they managed that. Sheffield kept scowling at the official scorekeeper, who would respond by adjusting the score in Wisconsin's favor, but Sheffield would keep scowling, so the official would adjust some more in Wisconsin's favor, but no joy for Sheffield, who kept scowling, until finally the official made the score 25-0. The official said "Happy now?" Sheffield kept scowling and said "Make it 26-0." So the official did. That's the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help me Kelly. Happy now, Kelly? |
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Post by pennstate1973 on Sept 25, 2021 12:38:25 GMT -5
I just watched some bits and pieces of a youtube video of the Wisconsin match. It was even wilder than I thought. In the fifth set Wisconsin was up 10-7 and lost 8 straight points.
I really get annoyed with Rettke. Every time she misses a block she signals the ball as being out of bounds even when it's in by five feet.
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Post by nyline on Sept 25, 2021 15:58:59 GMT -5
I just watched some bits and pieces of a youtube video of the Wisconsin match. It was even wilder than I thought. In the fifth set Wisconsin was up 10-7 and lost 8 straight points. I really get annoyed with Rettke. Every time she misses a block she signals the ball as being out of bounds even when it's in by five feet. That reminds me of an incident with former Penn State great Christa Harmotto Dietzen, in a match at Wisconsin, which in my somewhat vague memory (it may have been any of 2004, 2005, 2006 or 2007?) Penn State needed to win to win the B1G. At a key play in the match, Christa went up for the block and, according to the officials, didn't touch the ball, which went out -- point, Penn State. Harmotto gestured vigorously that there was no touch. I don't recall whether there was replay (I think there may have been), but the concensus among viewers was that she did touch the ball. What amuses me, in light of your comment, is that many, many, many posters on VT (obviously, a well-curated bastion of fairness and restraint) called Christa out for allegedly showing bad character -- even though 1) she may/probably/who knows have thought she didn't touch the ball, and 2) it's up to the officials to make the call, and what a player says should be irrelevant -- so, no harm done. And in my memory, it was a pretty close call. So it''s richly ironic that you've identified Rettke as engaging in behavior that, from your description, is much more frequent and pretty darn egregious. I wonder if Wisconsin fans think Rettke lacks character? Postscript -- Christa Harmotto Dietzen ended up as the captain of the U.S. Women's Volleyball team. So from a character standpoint, I think she's been proven to be waaaaaay on the upside. Maybe Rettke, as a 6-8 giant in the sport, gets extra frustrated that anyone can get the ball over, around or through her block. Must be out. |
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Post by traveler on Sept 25, 2021 17:06:31 GMT -5
I remember one of the Boosters telling the story of how Harmotto would not allow him to buy the doughnuts for her Sunday school class...she was so ethical. I have never tried to block, so I don't if a player could honestly not be aware...just don't know. But I seem to remember from the 4-peat era a point where much of the team and Coach thought the point should not have gone to PSU...to no avail. Or maybe my memory is playing tricks. According to the AVCA, the video-based challenge system went into effect in the 2013 season.
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Post by ethankasales on Sept 25, 2021 19:31:52 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2021 22:08:26 GMT -5
I just watched some bits and pieces of a youtube video of the Wisconsin match. It was even wilder than I thought. In the fifth set Wisconsin was up 10-7 and lost 8 straight points. I really get annoyed with Rettke. Every time she misses a block she signals the ball as being out of bounds even when it's in by five feet. That reminds me of an incident with former Penn State great Christa Harmotto Dietzen, in a match at Wisconsin, which in my somewhat vague memory (it may have been any of 2004, 2005, 2006 or 2007?) Penn State needed to win to win the B1G. At a key play in the match, Christa went up for the block and, according to the officials, didn't touch the ball, which went out -- point, Penn State. Harmotto gestured vigorously that there was no touch. I don't recall whether there was replay (I think there may have been), but the concensus among viewers was that she did touch the ball. What amuses me, in light of your comment, is that many, many, many posters on VT (obviously, a well-curated bastion of fairness and restraint) called Christa out for allegedly showing bad character -- even though 1) she may/probably/who knows have thought she didn't touch the ball, and 2) it's up to the officials to make the call, and what a player says should be irrelevant -- so, no harm done. And in my memory, it was a pretty close call. So it''s richly ironic that you've identified Rettke as engaging in behavior that, from your description, is much more frequent and pretty darn egregious. I wonder if Wisconsin fans think Rettke lacks character? Postscript -- Christa Harmotto Dietzen ended up as the captain of the U.S. Women's Volleyball team. So from a character standpoint, I think she's been proven to be waaaaaay on the upside. Maybe Rettke, as a 6-8 giant in the sport, gets extra frustrated that anyone can get the ball over, around or through her block. Must be out. Players are coached to 'help' the officials with their decision-making; although, that help is only ever one-sided. |
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Post by seeyajohn on Sept 26, 2021 14:11:55 GMT -5
So Maryland beats Wisconsin at home, then goes to Minnesota and gets completely dismantled! It could be an interesting season!
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Post by nyline on Sept 26, 2021 14:30:21 GMT -5
So Maryland beats Wisconsin at home, then goes to Minnesota and gets completely dismantled! It could be an interesting season! Well, the results in those two matches underscore what Russ Rose says alot: It's really hard to win on the road in the Big Ten  |
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Post by jojonito on Sept 27, 2021 6:50:05 GMT -5
... I don't recall whether there was replay (I think there may have been), but the concensus among viewers was that she did touch the ball. What amuses me, in light of your comment, is that many, many, many posters on VT (obviously, a well-curated bastion of fairness and restraint) called Christa out for allegedly showing bad character -- even though 1) she may/probably/who knows have thought she didn't touch the ball, and 2) it's up to the officials to make the call, and what a player says should be irrelevant -- so, no harm done. And in my memory, it was a pretty close call. .... I get amused by the whole, "I didn't touch it" routine by most volleyball players. Paul Sunderland said something to the effect, "Volleyball players are notorious liars. The finger can be bent back 90 degrees and still insist that they never touched the ball, tearing up at the same time." Which is pretty funny. Another funny quote is; "As Ebony Nwanebu cleverly stated recently, 'Acting is a major part of volleyball.. Did I touch it? Absolutely. But I’m about to convince this whole gym I didn’t.'"
It seems that, according to some knowledgeable observers, that many volleyball players, (not all), are guilty of some histrionics regarding touches.
At the same time, Sunderland mentioned that it is very valuable for a coach to have someone on the court who will give him the straight dope. He mentioned this in a US men's volleyball match when the US coach was debating as to whether he should challenge a play and Micah Christenson told him, "Don't challenge. We touched the ball." It seems that a coach can't always trust his players to tell it straight. They sometimes will shade it the direction they "wish" it was.
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Post by jojonito on Sept 27, 2021 6:55:49 GMT -5
I looked up the WISC vs MARYLAND match. Very interesting. Maryland was outhit 73 to 48. BUT, WISC had 34 hitting errors to 19 by Maryland; WISC had 17 service errors to 3 by Maryland, and Maryland had 15 blocks to 9 by Wisc. Because of WISC errors, the teams hit almost identical percentages; WISC hit .196 and Maryland hist .195. Here's an interesting article which had a number of quotes by Sheffield: Article About WISC vs Maryland MatchAlso, here are the stats from the match, for those who are interested: |
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Post by nyline on Sept 27, 2021 6:57:50 GMT -5
I looked up the WISC vs MARYLAND match. Very interesting. Maryland was outhit 73 to 48. BUT, WISC had 34 hitting errors to 19 by Maryland; WISC had 17 service errors to 3 by Maryland, and Maryland had 15 blocks to 9 by Wisc. Because of WISC errors, the teams hit almost identical percentages; WISC hit .196 and Maryland hist .195. Here's an interesting article which had a number of quotes by Sheffield: Also, here are the stats from the match, for those who are interested: That is an interesting article -- so concise and compact |
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Post by jojonito on Sept 27, 2021 6:59:52 GMT -5
That is an interesting article -- so concise and compact Funny Try again. I mostly use the Quick Reply which doesn't allow putting in the links. One of these days I'll get the hang of it. |
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Post by nyline on Sept 27, 2021 7:17:56 GMT -5
I looked up the WISC vs MARYLAND match. Very interesting. Maryland was outhit 73 to 48. BUT, WISC had 34 hitting errors to 19 by Maryland; WISC had 17 service errors to 3 by Maryland, and Maryland had 15 blocks to 9 by Wisc. Because of WISC errors, the teams hit almost identical percentages; WISC hit .196 and Maryland hist .195. Here's an interesting article which had a number of quotes by Sheffield: Article About WISC vs Maryland MatchAlso, here are the stats from the match, for those who are interested: Very interesting. Thanks for posting! |
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Post by ethankasales on Sept 27, 2021 13:10:43 GMT -5
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