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Post by nyline on Sept 13, 2021 9:39:10 GMT -5
I woke up this morning feeling like I have been a bit negative in my comments about this year's team. I just checked and there are 334 Division 1 women's volleyball teams. This year's team is a top 20 team. Actually, Penn State is always in the top 20. That's really outstanding!
Spoiled much? Hopeful those that participate in the rankings recognize both Oregon and Stanford are quality teams and do not penalize too much in the rankings this week. I hope that too -- though I think they might bounce us from top 20 (hope I'm wrong). More important -- by far -- is that the team gels and starts playing to its potential. The critical goal is making the NCAA tournament -- whether as the B1G champ or as an at-large bid. If they make the tournament, anything can happen.
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Post by texvbdad3 on Sept 13, 2021 15:48:17 GMT -5
Something needs to change! Coaches get up out of the chairs and COACH! No interaction with the players unless they screw up and are coming off the court. Girls do NOT look like they are enjoying any part of the game even if they are ahead. Change the lineup.....the transfers are NOT helping......anything has to be better than what the coaches put out on the floor currently.
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Post by pennstate1973 on Sept 13, 2021 16:32:23 GMT -5
That's an interesting perspective texvb. IMO this board becomes more interesting with different points of view being expressed.
I understand the frustration from Penn State fans used to dominating the sport. After 43 years of doing this, Russ is not going to change his style or his personality. Transfers are probably not meeting some fans' expectations. I'm willing to give the team more time to gel and to stabilize around one group of starters.
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Post by jojonito on Sept 13, 2021 16:55:50 GMT -5
Something needs to change! Coaches get up out of the chairs and COACH! No interaction with the players unless they screw up and are coming off the court. Girls do NOT look like they are enjoying any part of the game even if they are ahead. Change the lineup.....the transfers are NOT helping......anything has to be better than what the coaches put out on the floor currently. A couple of comments. 1) If you expect Russ to get out his chair regularly like other coaches, you'll be waiting a long time. That's not his style. He trusts his assistant coaches to handle a lot of the situations. He talks to the players when he feels it necessary, which, usually is when things go wrong. He teaches his players play without needing a lot of attaboys (or attagirls to be PC ). He's training them to do things well without having to need constant praise. 2) He's built great relationships with his players. A quote from an article about him: Players regularly dial him up seeking coaching or life advice. "He loves that," says Lori Barberich, a three-time All-American (1982-84) under Rose, and later an assistant who is also his wife of 32 years. "If one of his players calls, he's answering the phone. I thought all coaches did that, but the older I get I talk to players who have no communication with their college coach. For him, coaching is all about relationships and building them. That's what he loves the most about all of this." Nyline made a comment about an interview he had with Russ. Nyline said that his interview would have taken 1/2 an hour, but took an hour because of people, mainly players I think-current and former, stopping by to see him and or calling him for advice or just to talk. 3) He also will let things go for a bit in certain situations because he wants his players to learn how to handle problems/situations on their own, not depend on him to figure out what to do. 4) You mistake his sitting in a chair as being uninvolved. Nothing could be farther from the truth. He's totally involved with the players, the game. He's taking down stats constantly in order to know where the players are at and how they are doing. Someone said, "During games, Rose favors subtlety over histrionics." 5. Russ is trying to develop the best team from the players he has. That will just take time. Does he make mistakes. Sure. I think switching his libero back and forth in 2015 was a mistake as he probably would have been better off sticking with one and letting that develop. He says himself, that in the 1990's, in a championship match, he stuck with his best player out of loyalty when he should have replaced her, as his best player was having a bad game. Myself, I'm hoping that he'll stick with Cassie in the backrow as I think she's done a good job. But Coach will do what Coach thinks right. Unfortunately, (or fortunately), he doesn't pay much attention to what we say or want. Naturally, this is all IMHO. I'll bet you're now sorry you said anything. I'm sure you didn't expect a lecture. P.S. I think pennstate1973 commented on this a lot better than I did. As most of you have figured out by now, I can't do a short comment to save my life.
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Post by traveler on Sept 13, 2021 17:25:58 GMT -5
Jojo, I think Nyline should take your post and pin it up somewhere so that months from now when we're trying to find it, it will be close at hand.
The only other thing I could add is that the NYTimes article on him during the 4-peat days explicates precisely who and what he is. One of the things I learned in some of the leadership training I was exposed to was the mantra to be one's self. Authenticity. Coach does not try to do flavor of the week/month/year. He has been what he always has been, his true self.
May I suggest a parlor game while viewing our beloved PSU? Try to predict what Coach will do. When will he decide the team needs that TO, including holding up the yellow challenge card when they're all out. Subbing a DS who's been serving hot at practice this week. Etc. It'll be more worthy use of time and maybe learn to think as he does (lol).
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2021 3:12:48 GMT -5
Something needs to change! Coaches get up out of the chairs and COACH! No interaction with the players unless they screw up and are coming off the court. Girls do NOT look like they are enjoying any part of the game even if they are ahead. Change the lineup.....the transfers are NOT helping......anything has to be better than what the coaches put out on the floor currently. I agree and believe he will get more involved if he doesn't like what his assistants are doing. The question, however, is whether the problem is the coaching or the players. At first I thought the transfers need more to gel, but you might be right. Perhaps the younger players need to be given a shot if the older ones are not getting it done.
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Post by jojonito on Sept 14, 2021 4:04:35 GMT -5
Don't know why but Lacy Fuller popped into my mind the other day. Having her as Dom's backup...a dream. Yeah. A frequent comment by Coach about Lacy Fuller was how hard she worked. She practiced at a 100% pace just like the games she played. I still have memories of her diving for balls in the back row. Was just looking at an old article about coach. It had this Russ Rose/Lace Fuller conversation when Lacey was a freshman. Freshman Lacey Fuller walked into Rose’s office one Tuesday morning in October with a stack of newspapers for the coach. What followed was a quick conversation that was more like a quiz. “Here’s one of my favorite characters. What’s going on?” Rose asked. “Nothing.” “Been getting into trouble lately?” “No.” “Is it a good day?” “Today? Most likely.” “You going to have a good practice?” “Yes.” “What are you going to do that makes it good?” “I’m going to dig everything and be more consistent on serves.” “And serve tough.” “And serve tough… And proud.” I thought it was an interesting conversation.
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Post by seeyajohn on Sept 14, 2021 11:05:44 GMT -5
Something needs to change! Coaches get up out of the chairs and COACH! No interaction with the players unless they screw up and are coming off the court. Girls do NOT look like they are enjoying any part of the game even if they are ahead. Change the lineup.....the transfers are NOT helping......anything has to be better than what the coaches put out on the floor currently. I don't see the issue as coaching moves. I think that the recruiting process has become much more challenging. In the PSU heyday (2007-2011) the B1G was much weaker and most of the outside competition was coming from the Pac. The coaching staff was able to recruit players that led to the entire starting team in 2008 being of all-American status (Roberta Holehouse was an unrecognized AA).
Since then there has been a big upswing in the number of competitive teams both inside and outside of the Big Ten. In the more recent past we have been out recruited by the top teams for most of the very top talent. Even the best on court coaching and practice coaching has a tough time overcoming superior talent.
There are no coaching moves that can make this very good team great. And there are great teams that PSU will be playing against during the rest of this season.
So, let's not wallow in the losses that will occur. Let's enjoy the effort and the wins that the women get this year!
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Post by EnglishPennStateFan on Sept 14, 2021 12:34:41 GMT -5
Something needs to change! Coaches get up out of the chairs and COACH! No interaction with the players unless they screw up and are coming off the court. Girls do NOT look like they are enjoying any part of the game even if they are ahead. Change the lineup.....the transfers are NOT helping......anything has to be better than what the coaches put out on the floor currently. I don't see the issue as coaching moves. I think that the recruiting process has become much more challenging. In the PSU heyday (2007-2011) the B1G was much weaker and most of the outside competition was coming from the Pac. The coaching staff was able to recruit players that led to the entire starting team in 2008 being of all-American status (Roberta Holehouse was an unrecognized AA).
Since then there has been a big upswing in the number of competitive teams both inside and outside of the Big Ten. In the more recent past we have been out recruited by the top teams for most of the very top talent. Even the best on court coaching and practice coaching has a tough time overcoming superior talent.
There are no coaching moves that can make this very good team great. And there are great teams that PSU will be playing against during the rest of this season.
So, let's not wallow in the losses that will occur. Let's enjoy the effort and the wins that the women get this year! I think seeyajohn makes a very sound pragmatic case for why PSU fans should not expect too much of the team this season. I have very little knowledge of NCAA volleyball prior to my discovery of ESPN in England in 2018 but if what he says is accurate, it seems inevitable that the 'top' teams who have signed the top players will dominate. I personally will continue to root for PSU having visited Rec Hall in Sept 2019 and watched them play against champions Stanford (1-3) and Oregon (3-0), but I am not hoping for anything better than R2 or R3 in the NCAA tournament. As long as the players display the effort and passion that they have so far, I will continue to support them with equal passion and enjoy the wins, albeit from 3000 miles away! I totally understand the feelings of those who were fans of the team in the glory years - my hometown football (soccer) team, Nottingham Forest, were champions of Europe in 1979 and 1980 but for the last 10 years have languished in the second tier of English club football. I understand your pain!!
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Post by nyline on Sept 14, 2021 14:29:44 GMT -5
Something needs to change! Coaches get up out of the chairs and COACH! No interaction with the players unless they screw up and are coming off the court. Girls do NOT look like they are enjoying any part of the game even if they are ahead. Change the lineup.....the transfers are NOT helping......anything has to be better than what the coaches put out on the floor currently. I don't see the issue as coaching moves. I think that the recruiting process has become much more challenging. In the PSU heyday (2007-2011) the B1G was much weaker and most of the outside competition was coming from the Pac. The coaching staff was able to recruit players that led to the entire starting team in 2008 being of all-American status (Roberta Holehouse was an unrecognized AA).
Since then there has been a big upswing in the number of competitive teams both inside and outside of the Big Ten. In the more recent past we have been out recruited by the top teams for most of the very top talent. Even the best on court coaching and practice coaching has a tough time overcoming superior talent.
There are no coaching moves that can make this very good team great. And there are great teams that PSU will be playing against during the rest of this season.
So, let's not wallow in the losses that will occur. Let's enjoy the effort and the wins that the women get this year! But I still have hope that the team will gel. Win enough to get in the tournament. And get hot in the tournament. That's enough to carry a team to the Finals -- just ask Wisconsin in 2013.
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Post by seeyajohn on Sept 14, 2021 14:35:44 GMT -5
I don't see the issue as coaching moves. I think that the recruiting process has become much more challenging. In the PSU heyday (2007-2011) the B1G was much weaker and most of the outside competition was coming from the Pac. The coaching staff was able to recruit players that led to the entire starting team in 2008 being of all-American status (Roberta Holehouse was an unrecognized AA).
Since then there has been a big upswing in the number of competitive teams both inside and outside of the Big Ten. In the more recent past we have been out recruited by the top teams for most of the very top talent. Even the best on court coaching and practice coaching has a tough time overcoming superior talent.
There are no coaching moves that can make this very good team great. And there are great teams that PSU will be playing against during the rest of this season.
So, let's not wallow in the losses that will occur. Let's enjoy the effort and the wins that the women get this year! But I still have hope that the team will gel. Win enough to get in the tournament. And get hot in the tournament. That's enough to carry a team to the Finals -- just ask Wisconsin in 2013. Hope springs eternal! Go Lions!
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Post by jojonito on Sept 14, 2021 16:12:01 GMT -5
Coach had to change how he coached and recruited when NCAA volleyball changed to rally scoring, around 2000-2003. From what I can see he needs to change again. Transfers are now a way of life. I know that I always wondered why PSU never got any of these great transfers. I thought it was because Coach had a bad rep or something. It turns out that, according to a press conference, Coach doesn't like to do transfers cuz it's hard to be sure what you are getting; a viewpoint that I understand. However, IMHO, if Coach doesn't start being a bit more open to transfers PSU won't make it back to the top echelon. The classic case is Nebraska. They've been getting really helpful transfers for the last 4-5 years, i.e. Lexi Sun. Ain't it interesting; the new transfer policy is like free agency in professional sports. It's virtually impossible for a professional team to compete by drafting alone. Gotta sign at least some free agents. P.S. Here is an article by Terry Pettit on Russ Rose and mentions how he had to change how he recruited/coached around 2000-2003. Terry Pettit's Article on Russ Rose
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Post by ethankasales on Sept 14, 2021 17:26:50 GMT -5
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Post by stillkicking on Sept 14, 2021 18:18:37 GMT -5
Thanks, Ethan, for another fine article.
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Post by traveler on Sept 19, 2021 14:46:45 GMT -5
Allie Holland; you may have just received your first ESPN (actual ESPN, not that payperview thing) mention just now. Paul Sunderlin and Salima just spoke about how well you've filled the space left by a transfer. By name.
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