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Post by cross5 on Oct 29, 2016 9:44:38 GMT -5
Is coach Rose making a mistake by keeping Frantti in the back row? Is her play a detriment to the team's success? Tough question: I know Russ really likes her, but is it costing the team? This question came up after the Stanford game. At that time, the prevailing wisdom was that there was no one to replace her. The cupboard is bare? How would WE know. Unless kids know their roles and given the confidence to go in and not get pulled if the team or they make a mistake. I would think that Keeton is a perfect example of a kid who knows her role. Makes a few mistakes here or there but she is given the leash to do so. As a result she has been really good and playing to her potential. MSU was a perfect example of utilizing stronger serving, passing and defense from DS's. Haven't seen much of that since. It's a slippery slope. We saw subs at the end of the game in the back row for both outsides as they were spent. Would like not to get to that point in a match. Coach will figure it out . I'm confident. |
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Post by cross5 on Oct 29, 2016 9:48:57 GMT -5
One thing that I did notice was a number of times where we had our servers serve from different positions on the backcourt
Im sure that the staff saw something there on angles of reception.
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Post by Millennium on Oct 29, 2016 9:53:09 GMT -5
Is coach Rose making a mistake by keeping Frantti in the back row? Is her play a detriment to the team's success? Tough question: I know Russ really likes her, but is it costing the team? This question came up after the Stanford game. At that time, the prevailing wisdom was that there was no one to replace her. The cupboard is bare? I'm only referring to her play in the back row. Can't a DS take her spot there for serve-receive? It doesn't seem like our back row attack is being used enough anyway. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2016 9:55:46 GMT -5
This question came up after the Stanford game. At that time, the prevailing wisdom was that there was no one to replace her. The cupboard is bare? How would WE know. Unless kids know their roles and given the confidence to go in and not get pulled if the team or they make a mistake. We don't know. We only see the play of those put on the court. From those who have followed the program for many years, I have learned that players who perform well in practice make it to the floor. So, in Franti's case, we have to assume that she was the superior player in practice. When she has problems and remains in the game, we have to assume that there's no one on the bench who's better. Right? |
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Post by cross5 on Oct 29, 2016 10:13:44 GMT -5
How would WE know. Unless kids know their roles and given the confidence to go in and not get pulled if the team or they make a mistake. We don't know. We only see the play of those put one the court. From those who have followed the program for many years, I have learned that players who perform well in practice make it to the floor. So, in Franti's case, we have to assume that she was the superior player in practice. When she has problems and remains in the game, we have to assume that there's no one on the bench who's better. Right? Yes...that was my point about practice , which I was makin sure you understood. ..which you do.  So that brings up plan b. Better work some peeps in practice there to spell her as this seems to be a growing trend as we expect 4 and 5 gamers on the road. Marathon not a sprint. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2016 10:32:49 GMT -5
We don't know. We only see the play of those put one the court. From those who have followed the program for many years, I have learned that players who perform well in practice make it to the floor. So, in Franti's case, we have to assume that she was the superior player in practice. When she has problems and remains in the game, we have to assume that there's no one on the bench who's better. Right? Yes...that was my point about practice , which I was makin sure you understood. ..which you do. So that brings up plan b. Better work some peeps in practice there to spell her as this seems to be a growing trend as we expect 4 and 5 gamers on the road. We're good. I try to learn and try to pay attention to lessons. How Coach Rose concocts and implements a "Plan B" overnight on the road or by this coming Wednesday.... I guess that's why he gets the big bucks. As an aside. I don't visit other team's websites so I don't know what the "state of play" is elsewhere. We're very circumspect here, seldom questioning player performance and coaching decisions. For the most part, that's good. I fear that the future is going to be different than anything PSU fans have seen for the last 10 years--which is outside my experience. It remains to be seen how these challenges might alter our level of discourse. |
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Post by cross5 on Oct 29, 2016 10:34:53 GMT -5
The one thing that is postive. In every match this year I felt the team was still in position playing well enough to compete and even win....for the most part throught the match.
Not too many teams can we say that about.
Build , learn gain experience and make a big push come mid to end of November. That ultimately is what it is going to come down to this year for all teams.
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Post by nyline on Oct 29, 2016 13:17:59 GMT -5
The one thing that is postive. In every match this year I felt the team was still in position playing well enough to compete and even win....for the most part throught the match. Not too many teams can we say that about. Build , learn gain experience and make a big push come mid to end of November. That ultimately is what it is going to come down to this year for all teams. I'm not writing this team off at all. But there is no question that the margin for error is less than it was 2007 to 2014 (with exception of 2011). |
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Post by traveler on Oct 29, 2016 15:07:28 GMT -5
Interesting tidbit: they neutralized Tori Gorrell. She can be so dangerous and unexpected. More than any other of our producers, she was accounted for last night. And it looked like they sent her that message very early.
Wonder how some of these matches would shape up if there was no such thing as video tape...
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Post by cross5 on Oct 29, 2016 15:27:35 GMT -5
Interesting tidbit: they neutralized Tori Gorrell. She can be so dangerous and unexpected. More than any other of our producers, she was accounted for last night. And it looked like they sent her that message very early. Wonder how some of these matches would shape up if there was no such thing as video tape... They were set up very well for what our hitters wanted to do. Some spectacular digs....but if you look closely they channeled our hitters there so they could make that dig. We never established any middle attack and they did and a various array of them. I think we would all love to see and be very content with a split on this weekend. We will see what the less than 24 hour turnaround brings. |
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Post by bob2061 on Oct 29, 2016 15:47:18 GMT -5
What position do you think we need to improve the most?
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Post by goldengoal on Oct 29, 2016 20:34:16 GMT -5
The one thing that is postive. In every match this year I felt the team was still in position playing well enough to compete and even win....for the most part throught the match. Not too many teams can we say that about. Build , learn gain experience and make a big push come mid to end of November. That ultimately is what it is going to come down to this year for all teams. I'm not writing this team off at all. But there is no question that the margin for error is less than it was 2007 to 2014 (with exception of 2011). Not writing them off for what? Do you really see this team going beyond the round of sixteen--or even getting to it? |
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Post by nyline on Oct 29, 2016 21:09:58 GMT -5
I'm not writing this team off at all. But there is no question that the margin for error is less than it was 2007 to 2014 (with exception of 2011). Not writing them off for what? Do you really see this team going beyond the round of sixteen--or even getting to it? Not writing them off as a fan, who holds out hope. Round of Sixteen? I think it's possible. Look at Stanford -- several embarrassing losses, now a few solid wins. Getting to the round of 16 is eminently doable for this team, though it certainly might not happen. Alot depends on their bracket. As to what else I'm not writing off for this team, well, I'm not writing off their chances for possibly improving; I'm not writing off rooting for them; I'm not wriiting off their chances for pulling an upset here or there; and I'm not writing off the possibility that they are better than many people now believe. I certainly recognize the challenges they face. And I also recognize that many don't share my hope or belief in the possibility -- not probability, but possibility -- of greater success throughout the remainder of the season. Heck, prior to the Ohio State and Purdue games, James Franklin and his staff couldn't coach a lick: utter fools; total frauds. Now there is a chorus of praise, calls to extend their contracts. If they could learn so much, and improve so much, in only two games, imagine what the Penn State Women's Volleyball Team can do in eight matches. Of course, in two more games, James Franklin and staff may be stupid again. And PSU WVB may not improve at all. There's nothing wrong with doubting that this team can make the Round of Sixteen. Might be how it plays out. But not many people thought this team would beat Minnesota in Rec Hall -- certainly not when they were down 13-4 in Set 1. But they did. So I'm not prepared to write-off the possiibility that they may enjoy more success this year, and perhaps more next year, and maybe even more the following year. And maybe even beyond that. For me, hope is much more enjoyable. But to each his or her own. |
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Post by goldengoal on Oct 30, 2016 20:35:08 GMT -5
Not writing them off for what? Do you really see this team going beyond the round of sixteen--or even getting to it? Not writing them off as a fan, who holds out hope. Round of Sixteen? I think it's possible. Look at Stanford -- several embarrassing losses, now a few solid wins. Getting to the round of 16 is eminently doable for this team, though it certainly might not happen. Alot depends on their bracket. As to what else I'm not writing off for this team, well, I'm not writing off their chances for possibly improving; I'm not writing off rooting for them; I'm not wriiting off their chances for pulling an upset here or there; and I'm not writing off the possibility that they are better than many people now believe. I certainly recognize the challenges they face. And I also recognize that many don't share my hope or belief in the possibility -- not probability, but possibility -- of greater success throughout the remainder of the season. Heck, prior to the Ohio State and Purdue games, James Franklin and his staff couldn't coach a lick: utter fools; total frauds. Now there is a chorus of praise, calls to extend their contracts. If they could learn so much, and improve so much, in only two games, imagine what the Penn State Women's Volleyball Team can do in eight matches. Of course, in two more games, James Franklin and staff may be stupid again. And PSU WVB may not improve at all. There's nothing wrong with doubting that this team can make the Round of Sixteen. Might be how it plays out. But not many people thought this team would beat Minnesota in Rec Hall -- certainly not when they were down 13-4 in Set 1. But they did. So I'm not prepared to write-off the possiibility that they may enjoy more success this year, and perhaps more next year, and maybe even more the following year. And maybe even beyond that. For me, hope is much more enjoyable. But to each his or her own. I didn't think my question was that provocative. The annual expectation, fair or not, for PSU women's volleyball is to make the final four. (Men's too, for that matter, although that's another story.) But it seemed implausible you weren't writing the team off from that achievement, so I just wanted to clarify. Your comparison of Rose's position to that of James Franklin is interesting, but not really accurate. This season I find Coach Rose more reminiscent of Urban Meyer: all those top recruits, all that talent, all that tradition, all those championships--and yet, something is missing from their teams. Heart? Chemistry? Leadership? I don't know. |
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Post by Millennium on Oct 31, 2016 6:11:21 GMT -5
I'd like to add my 2 cents on the issue here. I cannot help but think that a volleyball team is a lot like a football team, in that the setter (or quarterback) plays a huge role in the success of their team. It's the most important position, and no matter how good all the other players on the team are, if the setter cannot deliver great balls consistently, the team will have it's ups and downs. Our setters are good, but not great. A team will only go so are as their setter will take them. Also, the quality of play of the setter really affects the team confidence, and I feel our team has lost some of the earlier confidence they had and will need to regain it in order to play competitively, again. Of course, there are other issues, such as the streaky play of Frantti and Thelen, which has affected matches as well. Overall, I believe that our team can upset some good teams come tourney time. Now, will they win 4 in a row to get to the final four? I wouldn't bet the farm. Having said that, I'll follow them zealously until the very end of the season. |
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