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Post by nyline on Jun 18, 2017 11:23:47 GMT -5
Penn State will enter the 2017 season with two experienced setters: 6-0 Sr. Abby Detering (who started 29 matches last season, appearing in a total of 33 matches and 109 sets), and 6-0 RS Jr. Bryanna Weiskircher (who started five matches in 2016, appearing a total of 25 matches and 70 sets). Detering led the team with 1082 assists, and recorded 95 kills, 194 digs, 42 blocks, and a team-high 39 service aces. Weiskircher posted 231 assists, 71 digs, 15 kills, 14 blocks and 12 service aces during the 2016 season. We've posted a Q&A with Talking Head. The question we asked Talking Head, who played collegiate volleyball and has coached the sport for many years, was not which of these two players will be the starting setter in 2017. Neither we, our slacker staff, nor Talking Head know the answer to that question, because it won’t be determined until after pre-season in August, at the earliest, and possibly not until some time into the season. The question we asked Talking Head is, whether Penn State might employ a 6-2 this season, and if so, how might that play out in the rotations. Click Here for a link to the Q&A, with Talking Head’s answers. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2017 11:47:04 GMT -5
Great explanation. I almost understand.
I imagine it will make more sense as players fill the positions and we can see the system in practice.
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Post by elliotberton on Jun 19, 2017 11:19:56 GMT -5
I have been wondering about this issue for some time, since last year, neither of our setters took control.
I would think that, with two setters, there will inevitably be differences in the setter/hitter connection. Talking head's observation that you want to pair setters with the hitters with whom each has the best connection would address that concern. The modified 6-2 seems to run counter to that issue since the hitters would need to adjust to a different setter mid game.
Obviously some hitters will be able to adjust to whomever is setting, and be successful even with less than perfect sets.
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Post by tillie on Jun 19, 2017 18:55:17 GMT -5
For whatever reasons the management felt a need to bring in a new setter. After a full season of play there is no indication that that move was sufficient to the problem. Elliotberton's observation that different setting skills is important and the hitter's do not easily change their life long patterns.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2017 19:17:48 GMT -5
For whatever reasons the management felt a need to bring in a new setter. After a full season of play there is no indication that that move was sufficient to the problem. Elliotberton's observation that different setting skills is important and the hitter's do not easily change their life long patterns. I'm guessing that what PSU had from 2007 through 2014 has been and will continue to be difficult to duplicate. |
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Post by traveler on Jun 19, 2017 20:00:48 GMT -5
I'd love to know if TH has thoughts about losing Detering's firepower if we go to a full 6-2. Some would argue we'd be better w/true hitters at the net, but it seems the commentators during games always love it when a setter dumps it over or, in Detering's case, hits it to the back line.
thanks for giving us something to chew on!
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Post by cross5 on Jun 20, 2017 6:00:26 GMT -5
7 Detering,Abby 157.0 points
19 Thelen,Heidi 256.0 points
21 Weiskircher,Bryanna 34 points
From a total points production value Thelen , who really isn't a natural Opposite attacker but decent blocker was much more of a point scorer for the team than Detering/Weiskircher combined. Hypothetically if you slide TWO better RS/Opposites in for backrow setters your point production doubles in the attack/block area AT LEAST.
Im not convinced we will see a 6-2 but if people are worried about point scoring from a front row setter, one would think a more active attacker /blocker would be more important. just musing.
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Post by elliotberton on Jun 20, 2017 9:49:48 GMT -5
A question-In the 6/2 is the setter allowed to joust on an over pass? I am embarrassed to admit I remain ignorant of some rules.
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Post by nyline on Jun 20, 2017 13:10:24 GMT -5
A question-In the 6/2 is the setter allowed to joust on an over pass? I am embarrassed to admit I remain ignorant of some rules. I assume since she's not in the front row, she can't joust on an overpass. But I am equally (or more) ignorant of the rules. |
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Post by cross5 on Jun 20, 2017 13:49:02 GMT -5
A question-In the 6/2 is the setter allowed to joust on an over pass? I am embarrassed to admit I remain ignorant of some rules. No the setter cannot contact the ball crossing the plane of the net above the tape. |
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Post by cross5 on Jun 20, 2017 13:59:37 GMT -5
For whatever reasons the management felt a need to bring in a new setter. After a full season of play there is no indication that that move was sufficient to the problem. Elliotberton's observation that different setting skills is important and the hitter's do not easily change their life long patterns. I'm guessing that what PSU had from 2007 through 2014 has been and will continue to be difficult to duplicate. I would say every year it is difficult to duplicate the success of a previous National Championship Team. That being said......this is a very talented team who has considerable depth. Things to consider. In a true 6-2 we would negate or virtually negate H. Washington from running her best attack in the slide behind the setter. She hasn't been particularly effective in front of the setter in her career but maybe they are working on that in the offseason. The other reason we may not see the 6-2 straight up is "Practice makes Permanent" . How do you get the "A" side simulated game-like practice sessions with only 2 setters. I would imagine Bryanna and Abby are always training against each other running 5-1's . They could switch every time the A side setter rotates to the front row but that isn't a fluid situation. I'm more in the line 2017 PSU runs a modified 6-2 with one setter getting the majority of the work load. You still play to the strengths of the roster and setters/Hitters attributes of stronger serving, substitution flexibility and more front row blocking and attacking when needed. |
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Post by elliotberton on Jun 21, 2017 13:34:29 GMT -5
Not sure why the slide is virtually negated by the 6/2. We ran a few "X" plays last year where Heidi and Haleigh literally crossed paths. But Cross' point is still significant. There would have to be some major adjustments to make a different system work and oub best players' skill sets should dictate the systems used.
It does appear that the National Team is employing a modified 6/2 in the Pan Am Cup (and also did so at the Olympics). Whether that can be considered a good example given the different substitution limits in the International game is a subject for debate, but it does demonstrate that with the right talent, a modified 6/2 system (or really any system) can be successful.
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Post by centralpennvbfan on Jun 21, 2017 15:56:12 GMT -5
Haleigh's slide would be negated in a 6-2, unless the Opposite would cross Haleigh. I do not know if they keep track of the location a hitter attacks from... that would be interesting to review, if available...
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