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Post by psumaui on Oct 13, 2017 23:24:10 GMT -5
Michigan State plays Rutgers tomorrow. Poor Poor Rutgers!!!
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Post by nitneliun on Oct 14, 2017 2:07:15 GMT -5
Michigan State plays Rutgers tomorrow. Poor Poor Rutgers!!! You can say that about any B1G team vs. Rutgers. |
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Post by elliotberton on Oct 14, 2017 2:17:41 GMT -5
May we please credit coach with making a successful adjustment to go with a different system mid match? Detering was not having success as a hitter so he cut and filled on the right having Lee, Frantti, Washington, Thelen and Reed take swings on that side. We struggled with the serve receive in set 2, but the changes also moved where Lee was receiving-and the problem was solved. I was impressed with the adjustment and frankly that our players are versatile enough to make the changes work.
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Post by psumaui on Oct 14, 2017 2:17:53 GMT -5
Michigan State plays Rutgers tomorrow. Poor Poor Rutgers!!! You can say that about any B1G team vs. Rutgers. Yea, but when a team like Michigan State loses, their next team will have to deal with them taking out their frustration out on them. It's pretty much always bad for a sub-par team to play a team that just lost a tough match. Same with Michigan vs Indiana in football tomorrow! |
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Post by psumaui on Oct 14, 2017 2:22:52 GMT -5
May we please credit coach with making a successful adjustment to go with a different system mid match? Detering was not having success as a hitter so he cut and filled on the right having Lee, Frantti, Washington, Thelen and Reed take swings on that side. We struggled with the serve receive in set 2, but the changes also moved where Lee was receiving-and the problem was solved. I was impressed with the adjustment and frankly that our players are versatile enough to make the changes work. The difference between winning and losing against tough competition is how well you make adjustments throughout the match and how well the team follows them! Other than set two, they played a great match on Friday! I was impressed tonight on how tough we played on defense and am happy to see the tough serving by this team. This needs to be consistent no matter who we play. Love seeing Lee's jump serve! Wouldn't it be sweet justice to have Michigan State play Florida in the Regionals? |
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Post by Millennium on Oct 14, 2017 4:34:59 GMT -5
May we please credit coach with making a successful adjustment to go with a different system mid match? Detering was not having success as a hitter so he cut and filled on the right having Lee, Frantti, Washington, Thelen and Reed take swings on that side. We struggled with the serve receive in set 2, but the changes also moved where Lee was receiving-and the problem was solved. I was impressed with the adjustment and frankly that our players are versatile enough to make the changes work. +1 |
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Post by cross5 on Oct 14, 2017 6:03:45 GMT -5
May we please credit coach with making a successful adjustment to go with a different system mid match? Detering was not having success as a hitter so he cut and filled on the right having Lee, Frantti, Washington, Thelen and Reed take swings on that side. We struggled with the serve receive in set 2, but the changes also moved where Lee was receiving-and the problem was solved. I was impressed with the adjustment and frankly that our players are versatile enough to make the changes work. The difference between winning and losing against tough competition is how well you make adjustments throughout the match and how well the team follows them! Other than set two, they played a great match on Friday! I was impressed tonight on how tough we played on defense and am happy to see the tough serving by this team. This needs to be consistent no matter who we play. Love seeing Lee's jump serve! Wouldn't it be sweet justice to have Michigan State play Florida in the Regionals? Indeed we did see some nice adjustments. I will respectfully disagree in Lee's jump serve. I must prefer her jump float as it is more consistent and more difficult to pass. For sure she should have the green light to mix it up but the float is her better serve and we saw her instructed to go with that the last two games instead. Michigan State practices against the Jump serve and hybrid serve every day as numerous players on their team have this. Although Reed brought nothing on offense and on the stat sheet in blocking, I do think that she did have quite a few touch blocks/deflections that got a piece of the MSU attack and we were able to run transition off. I do NOT expect to stay in the true 6-2 folks. It think this lines up was specific to the MSU matchup or similar teams that have a smaller athletic Leftside block like Bailey This true 6-2 double sub also limits situational subs as it requires 12 subs often in a tight 25 point game. Holcolmb (couple points on serve and 2 passing stints 0 digs) and Pierce (point on serve and 1 dig in 1 sub opportunity) I agree with a few posters here that indeed our team looked prepared and did their jobs when asked to adjust. Bravo. That was a very important win PSU fans. Mark it! |
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Post by elliotberton on Oct 14, 2017 8:37:29 GMT -5
Agree with Cross abt the major adjustment being temporary. Detering has been a relatively effective hitter and a consistent blocker in most matches. Last night posed some unique challenges meriting more dramatic adjustments. As to Lee's serve, I think we will see more jump serves in matches where our block is not dominant. Last thought-Is Powers even less effective than Reed? While I am rooting for Reed to have success, for various reasons, thus far she has not been very productive.
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Post by elliotberton on Oct 14, 2017 8:59:18 GMT -5
The difference between winning and losing against tough competition is how well you make adjustments throughout the match and how well the team follows them! Other than set two, they played a great match on Friday! I was impressed tonight on how tough we played on defense and am happy to see the tough serving by this team. This needs to be consistent no matter who we play. Love seeing Lee's jump serve! Wouldn't it be sweet justice to have Michigan State play Florida in the Regionals? I do NOT expect to stay in the true 6-2 folks. It think this lines up was specific to the MSU matchup or similar teams that have a smaller athletic Leftside block like Bailey This true 6-2 double sub also limits situational subs as it requires 12 subs often in a tight 25 point game. Holcolmb (couple points on serve and 2 passing stints 0 digs) and Pierce (point on serve and 1 dig in 1 sub opportunity) Need some help with the nomenclature. I have heard announcers/commentators describe the 6/2 in different ways and create some doubt in my mind that I have a correct understanding of the term. It was my impression that a 6/2 is a system where both setters remain in the back row keeping 3 hitters in the front row at all times. The result is a double sub each time a setter gets to the front row. (As Cross calls it, a "true 6/2"). However, what we been doing, using 2 setters on the floor simultaneously is some kind of modified 6/2 (I thought we should call it a 4/2). Many commentators have confused me by suggesting that we are playing a 5/1 when Weiskercher rotates out and Detering is in the back row. Am I justified in being annoyed when announcers say we are playing a 5/1 when Detering hits the back row? And last night, am I mistaken, or did Weiskercher play a little front row in Set 3 (I was watching quite late at night so may have been mistaken) ? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2017 9:11:46 GMT -5
I do NOT expect to stay in the true 6-2 folks. It think this lines up was specific to the MSU matchup or similar teams that have a smaller athletic Leftside block like Bailey This true 6-2 double sub also limits situational subs as it requires 12 subs often in a tight 25 point game. Holcolmb (couple points on serve and 2 passing stints 0 digs) and Pierce (point on serve and 1 dig in 1 sub opportunity) Need some help with the nomenclature. I have heard announcers/commentators describe the 6/2 in different ways and create some doubt in my mind that I have a correct understanding of the term. It was my impression that a 6/2 is a system where both setters remain in the back row keeping 3 hitters in the front row at all times. The result is a double sub each time a setter gets to the front row. (As Cross calls it, a "true 6/2"). However, what we been doing, using 2 setters on the floor simultaneously is some kind of modified 6/2 (I thought we should call it a 4/2). Many commentators have confused me by suggesting that we are playing a 5/1 when Weiskercher rotates out and Detering is in the back row. Am I justified in being annoyed when announcers say we are playing a 5/1 when Detering hits the back row? And last night, am I mistaken, or did Weiskercher play a little front row in Set 3 (I was watching quite late at night so may have been mistaken) ? I respect your quest for knowledge. And I'm glad this site provides a great place for learning. For me, sometimes, I realize that I don't need to know everything. So I don't sweat it. For example, I don't believe I'll ever be able to spot setter double touches or rotation errors. Orwell must have been a volleyball fan because (for me), after all is said and done, Ignorance is Strength! |
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Post by bob2061 on Oct 14, 2017 9:16:13 GMT -5
Agree with Cross abt the major adjustment being temporary. Detering has been a relatively effective hitter and a consistent blocker in most matches. Last night posed some unique challenges meriting more dramatic adjustments. As to Lee's serve, I think we will see more jump serves in matches where our block is not dominant. Last thought-Is Powers even less effective than Reed? While I am rooting for Reed to have success, for various reasons, thus far she has not been very productive. Powers is our secret weapon that we are saving for the post-season. Coach has some surprises still up his sleeve. |
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Post by elliotberton on Oct 14, 2017 9:23:27 GMT -5
So far the "secret weapon" has been deployed as a serving sub (and not very impressively).
My tutor Gnu has, like many a yogi before him, chosen not to answer my question but instead imparts sage life advice..
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Post by cross5 on Oct 14, 2017 10:59:35 GMT -5
I do NOT expect to stay in the true 6-2 folks. It think this lines up was specific to the MSU matchup or similar teams that have a smaller athletic Leftside block like Bailey This true 6-2 double sub also limits situational subs as it requires 12 subs often in a tight 25 point game. Holcolmb (couple points on serve and 2 passing stints 0 digs) and Pierce (point on serve and 1 dig in 1 sub opportunity) Need some help with the nomenclature. I have heard announcers/commentators describe the 6/2 in different ways and create some doubt in my mind that I have a correct understanding of the term. It was my impression that a 6/2 is a system where both setters remain in the back row keeping 3 hitters in the front row at all times. The result is a double sub each time a setter gets to the front row. (As Cross calls it, a "true 6/2"). However, what we been doing, using 2 setters on the floor simultaneously is some kind of modified 6/2 (I thought we should call it a 4/2). Many commentators have confused me by suggesting that we are playing a 5/1 when Weiskercher rotates out and Detering is in the back row. Am I justified in being annoyed when announcers say we are playing a 5/1 when Detering hits the back row? And last night, am I mistaken, or did Weiskercher play a little front row in Set 3 (I was watching quite late at night so may have been mistaken) ? You are correct in all areas. So a true 6-2 is having just backrow setters =yes. burn about 10-12 subs just between them. Always 3 front row attackers. Modified 6-2 ....which can become a 5-1 is what we have done most of the year. Detering plays front and back and hits when in front or sets if Weiskircher has to play the first contact. I cant remember Bryanna in the front....although she has done this a few times this year. It was a nice wrinkle that worked last night. |
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Post by elliotberton on Oct 14, 2017 11:14:42 GMT -5
Thanks Cross. So now a couple more questions: When one player returns after being subbed out, does that count as a second substitution? (I always thought the answer is "yes"). Related question, does Libero entry and exit count against total number of subs? (I always thought "no").
I could research these rules myself but think it is more fun to get educated by my friends instead. (And maybe other viewers might benefit too)
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Post by cross5 on Oct 14, 2017 11:31:38 GMT -5
Thanks Cross. So now a couple more questions: When one player returns after being subbed out, does that count as a second substitution? (I always thought the answer is "yes"). Related question, does Libero entry and exit count against total number of subs? (I always thought "no"). I could research these rules myself but think it is more fun to get educated by my friends instead. (And maybe other viewers might benefit too) unlimited entries for the womans game. libero is not a sub. so lets say we have a tight game of perfect side out ball and that 1 of our setter starts serving. 3-3. 2 subs backrow setter/front row hitter and front row hitter and backrow setter enters in to serve and set 6-6 2 subs 9-9 2 subs 12-12 2 subs 15-15 2 subs 18-18 2 subs 21-21 2 subs So at 21-21 we already at the threshold of 14 subs....with only 1 left. Of course Im exaggerating a bit and a run here or there would most likely be in play but even so if you go extra innings like the NW and Maryland game last night 34-32 any team will run into sub issues. |
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