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Post by Millennium on Oct 30, 2018 3:30:15 GMT -5
PrepVolleyball.com has released its 2019 Senior Aces list. On that list, 6-0 OH Lauren Clark is ranked #31, 6-3 OH Sydney Ferguson is ranked #44, and 6-1 OH Gabi Bailey is ranked #93. FWIW, I looked up Lauren's club's webpage, and it lists her height at 6'1"
Gopher fans have to be upset that she committed to PSU vs Minnesota.
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Post by treblejig on Oct 30, 2018 5:02:37 GMT -5
So interesting, Nyline. Thanks.
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Post by nyline on Oct 30, 2018 7:17:23 GMT -5
PrepVolleyball.com has released its 2019 Senior Aces list. On that list, 6-0 OH Lauren Clark is ranked #31, 6-3 OH Sydney Ferguson is ranked #44, and 6-1 OH Gabi Bailey is ranked #93. FWIW, I looked up Lauren's club's webpage, and it lists her height at 6'1"
Gopher fans have to be upset that she committed to PSU vs Minnesota.
There's been a debate about her height ever since she commited. Maybe she grew. I don't know. We'll know when she shows up. Maybe. How tall was Aiyana Whitney? How tall was Ariel Scott?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2018 7:43:53 GMT -5
Garsh Nyline. You put the slacker staff on amphetamines? They've chunked out a ton of information that has, once again, forced me to realize how little I know and how much there is to learn.
My lessons include: Every PSU front row player and setter over the last 15+(?) years have been ranked players. It never occurred to me (a measure of my superficiality?) that all the players I was watching back in my formative days back in 2010 were highly-ranked prospects before they arrived at PSU. I sorta just assumed they appeared--as if by magic. After all, they were there at "my beginning," why would their backstory matter?
How important those rankings are. It's not so much a matter of the #10 vs the #20, but that there is a difference between being ranked and not being ranked. And, that being ranked is not a bad predictor of future success.
The excellent job Coach Rose and his staff do recruiting talented players who genuinely seem to work well together.
So many layers, so much to learn.....
Oh, thanks to you and the staff. Why don't you reward them with a night on the town in Bellefonte?
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Post by nyline on Oct 30, 2018 8:36:01 GMT -5
Out of curiosity, and boredom, my Slacker Staff also looked at Illinois: 6-2 Setter Jordan Poulter - #3 6-0 Setter Diana Brown - #43 6-3 MB Ali Bastianelli - #10 6-4 OH/Opp Megan Cooney - #35 So, sticking completely to the "top 50" cutoff set by pennstate1973, Illinois has four top-50 players (and only three of those have played regularly -- Brown is either being redshirted or is injured). If one were to be a bit more flexible, then 6-3 OH Beth Prince also would be included, as she was the #52 Senior Ace in her class. But you start making exceptions like that, and pretty soon, you're selecting unranked Karsta Lowe for the 2016 Olympic team, and we can't let that happen.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2018 8:46:21 GMT -5
Since the staff is cruising along in overdrive, when is the last time PSU had an unranked front row player or setter playing regularly?
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Post by nyline on Oct 30, 2018 9:13:23 GMT -5
Since the staff is cruising along in overdrive, when is the last time PSU had an unranked front row player or setter playing regularly? We'll get back to you.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2018 10:09:12 GMT -5
Since the staff is cruising along in overdrive, when is the last time PSU had an unranked front row player or setter playing regularly? We'll get back to you. don't worry, I won't call. Maybe an "old-timer" like Tillie might know off the top of her head?
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Post by jojonito on Oct 30, 2018 11:03:24 GMT -5
I looked up the top ranked 'classes' from the last 5-10 years a while back. It was amazing how little the top recruiting class mattered. Take for example 2014. 1. PSU, 2) USC 3)Purdue. PSU's class did well, almost won a national championship. USC & Purdue did okay, but that's all. There's Stanford's class of 2012(?); who were good, but in their best year lost to PSU. In other years Stanford was knocked out relatively early (Mich at least once, maybe twice, if I recollect correctly). Like Nyline said, recruiting classs are interesting, but often (maybe even usually) not a very accurate indicator of how well a team will do. It also totally ignores the effect of coaching (good or bad). <sarcasm> Then again maybe volleyball coaching is like coaching for PSU wrestling. Cael Sanderson gets such good prospects that he doesn't need to coach <sarcasm>
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Post by jojonito on Oct 30, 2018 11:07:00 GMT -5
don't worry, I won't call. Maybe an "old-timer" like Tillie might know off the top of her head? Possibly Kristin Carpenter in 2010? On a totally different note, she had an interview by a student at PSU that was absolutely hysterical.
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Post by bob2061 on Oct 30, 2018 11:08:27 GMT -5
Good read Nyline, enjoyed learning a little more each day. Thank you What I have learned is that Russ is taking higher ranked back row players and middle hitters than in past eras. But hasn't been as fortunate attracting high (top 20) outside hitters as he has in the past. Having a highly skilled terminal hitter or two always helps to win a close set. Everyone agrees that we should recruit the best talent available. We also agree that the Senior Aces is not a perfect system for identifying the talent. In some years when the talent pool is deep there is not much difference in skills and it becomes very arbitrary. You will always have some late bloomers who are overlooked by the Prepvolleyball staff. However, there has been a general trend in recent years where the most successful teams seem to have the taller players. In my opinion If two players have the exact same skill set the taller one will have an advantage most of the time.
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Post by nyline on Oct 30, 2018 14:09:18 GMT -5
don't worry, I won't call. Maybe an "old-timer" like Tillie might know off the top of her head? Possibly Kristin Carpenter in 2010? On a totally different note, she had an interview by a student at PSU that was absolutely hysterical. In 2009, Kristin Carpenter was the #8 PrepVolleyball.com Senior Ace. She was listed as a libero/setter. John Tawa (founder of PrepVolleyball.com) wrote at the time: "This is the first time in the six-year history of the Senior Aces that a player primarily projected to play libero in college has found her way into the top 10. She lands at No. 8, but you could make an argument that she might be the best all-around player in the country." As a sophomore, Kristin was the starting setter (averaging 11.52 assists/set), as Penn State won its fourth consecutive National Championship. Maybe not the best player on the team (or in the country) but she certainly made a big contribution.
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Post by jojonito on Oct 30, 2018 14:48:26 GMT -5
Interesting. I knew that she was a DS before becoming a setter and that setting wasn't her preferred position (at least on the PSU team). Hadn't realized that she was ranked so high. Never meant to imply she didn't make a big contribution. She was a big part of the 2010 championship. I remember being in awe as to how high she could go. Was only 5'6" and could really get up there. 2010 is about when I started following PSU so not that knowledgeable prior to that (or maybe after that either ).
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Post by pennstate1973 on Oct 30, 2018 18:27:42 GMT -5
Nyline, I didn’t intend for my opinion to be so upsetting to you. You did see I said, “Of course there are plenty of exceptions.”
I should amend my word “helping” you focused on to “being a critical component.” And there will be exceptions to that also.
I am well aware of some late bloomers. The example that sticks out in my mind is Karsta Lowe. I remember she didn’t make her high school varsity team starting roster until her junior year. She was a walkon for UCLA because no DI school offered her a scholarship. Then in her junior year of college everything came together and she went on to become a superstar.
I do appreciate the effort you put into finding those links and will look at every one of them.
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Post by pennstate1973 on Oct 30, 2018 18:41:41 GMT -5
Just one last point. The discussion was about OHs and that was the context of my initial comment. Yes, I understand DSs, serving specialists, and liberos often don’t make it into the top 50 senior aces. Those positions were not the focus of my comment but yes, needless to say, they "help" a team.
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