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Post by nittanycuse on Sept 1, 2019 13:25:58 GMT -5
Does anyone know what the issue Witchia St had during the two out of rotations in the first set - was it the same player overlaps both ties? Witchia St was playing competitively (up 9-7) until the wheels fell off during the 10-1 run.
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Post by elliotberton on Sept 1, 2019 14:32:22 GMT -5
Does anyone know what the issue Witchia St had during the two out of rotations in the first set - was it the same player overlaps both ties? Witchia St was playing competitively (up 9-7) until the wheels fell off during the 10-1 run. The view from those near us in the stands was that the Shockers' setter was too far forward when she was in the back row. I personally find it impossible to figure out when anyone is out of rotation. And even if they line up correctly, the setter and front row players often move before the ball is served. The down ref was insistent. WSU was incensed and felt hard done by. It did affect the match quite a bit.
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Post by traveler on Sept 1, 2019 16:34:20 GMT -5
Lol. "felt hard done by." Love that characterization!!
which leads me to the broadcast booth. There is no such thing as being penalized a point for being out of system. It is out of rotation. Awwwwk. Later the term out of rotation was used when he explained why a team didn't attack well.
On the good side, I didn't hear the incorrect term 'backslide.' So there is that.
Given we have top 10 attendance at our home court and we doubtlessly have a substantial online following...I think it's fair to expect broadcast personnel to have better technical understanding of the sport.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2019 16:58:28 GMT -5
Lol. "felt hard done by." Love that characterization!! which leads me to the broadcast booth. There is no such thing as being penalized a point for being out of system. It is out of rotation. Awwwwk. Later the term out of rotation was used when he explained why a team didn't attack well. On the good side, I didn't hear the incorrect term 'backslide.' So there is that. Given we have top 10 attendance at our home court and we doubtlessly have a substantial online following...I think it's fair to expect broadcast personnel to have better technical understanding of the sport. Fortunately, attendance at Rec Hall far exceeds the registered DigNittany following. While the announcer may not have a high volleyball IQ, I think he was mostly literate. I've certainly heard worse.
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Post by jojonito on Sept 1, 2019 19:30:12 GMT -5
So what's the answer? Are those quick sets to the middles easier to execute than moon balls to an outside? Or is it all situational in which passing, personnel factors, opponent blocking schemes, and a bunch of other factors play a role in a very dynamic situation? Seems to me it's more than binary. I'll throw in my two cents and those who know more can correct me. The sets to the middle are lower and generally much quicker than sets to the outside. The middle is going up before the ball has left the setters hands. So that means the timing needs to be precise for both the middle and the setter. Also the passing needs to be quite good for the setter to even make an attempt to set the middles. So the fact that the middles were being set a lot in the Holy Cross/Wichita states shows that the passing was pretty good by PSU and/or the opposing teams weren't putting much pressure on the PSU defense/serve receive allowing them to pass well. The middles can be more easily blocked since the opposing blockers don't have to move so much. I remember that it took Micha and Katie Slay quite a while to get their timing together. The sets to the outside hitters can be higher so the hitter can adjust more easily. The setter can do equally precise sets to the outside where the set is flat and quick. There also, the timing needs to be precise and are consequently more difficult to do. Like you said, all the other factors you mentioned also come into play; personnel, opponent blocking schemes, passing. I was watching the ILL match against Tennessee where Quaid was getting set all the time and she was mostly putting it away. The ILL setter then set the middle which to the complete surprise of Tenn. Deception/unpredictability on the part of the setter is also very important. You possibly already knew this, so if so, my apologies. Hopefully it helps someone.
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Post by seeyajohn on Sept 1, 2019 20:20:26 GMT -5
Lol. "felt hard done by." Love that characterization!! which leads me to the broadcast booth. There is no such thing as being penalized a point for being out of system. It is out of rotation. Awwwwk. Later the term out of rotation was used when he explained why a team didn't attack well. On the good side, I didn't hear the incorrect term 'backslide.' So there is that. Given we have top 10 attendance at our home court and we doubtlessly have a substantial online following...I think it's fair to expect broadcast personnel to have better technical understanding of the sport. Fortunately, attendance at Rec Hall far exceeds the registered DigNittany following. While the announcer may not have a high volleyball IQ, I think he was mostly literate. I've certainly heard worse. The announcer has improved over the job he did last year. But, if you consider that he was doing a radio broadcast, then there is an issue. He is unfamiliar with the rules and referee signals and if you were listening and not watching, you would have little grasp of what action was taking place. The announcer two years ago was much better. The current announcer would benefit from a sidekick who knew the rules and could spot for him. To be fair, it is a difficult job requiring quick player identification and the ability to describe fast action coherently.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2019 20:23:35 GMT -5
I'll throw in my two cents and those who know more can correct me. The sets to the middle are lower and generally much quicker than sets to the outside. The middle is going up before the ball has left the setters hands. So that means the timing needs to be precise for both the middle and the setter. Also the passing needs to be quite good for the setter to even make an attempt to set the middles. So the fact that the middles were being set a lot in the Holy Cross/Wichita states shows that the passing was pretty good by PSU and/or the opposing teams weren't putting much pressure on the PSU defense/serve receive allowing them to pass well. The middles can be more easily blocked since the opposing blockers don't have to move so much. I remember that it took Micha and Katie Slay quite a while to get their timing together. The sets to the outside hitters can be higher so the hitter can adjust more easily. The setter can do equally precise sets to the outside where the set is flat and quick. There also, the timing needs to be precise and are consequently more difficult to do. Like you said, all the other factors you mentioned also come into play; personnel, opponent blocking schemes, passing. I was watching the ILL match against Tennessee where Quaid was getting set all the time and she was mostly putting it away. The ILL setter then set the middle which to the complete surprise of Tenn. Deception/unpredictability on the part of the setter is also very important. You possibly already knew this, so if so, my apologies. Hopefully it helps someone. No need for apologies. I think I posted out of frustration. Usually, I read comments (and this is generically, not this board specifically) "they need to set the middles." Like you, I remember the problems Micha had meshing with Katie--and both were exceptional players with great work ethics. So, when I see middles getting Outside-like hitting stats, I can't help but think PSU has a special setter in Blossom. But then, I find (by reading comments) that Blossom's skills and Rose's strategy is less than optimal. So, I was asking the "them" to explain to me how I had gone wrong. My take-away is that these things are situational, there are no hard-and-fast "right answers," somebody is always going to be more knowledgeable (we know because they'll tell us), and I'll try to keep my observations about player skills and poster knowledgeability to myself. I said try.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2019 20:31:18 GMT -5
Fortunately, attendance at Rec Hall far exceeds the registered DigNittany following. While the announcer may not have a high volleyball IQ, I think he was mostly literate. I've certainly heard worse. The announcer has improved over the job he did last year. But, if you consider that he was doing a radio broadcast, then there is an issue. He is unfamiliar with the rules and referee signals and if you were listening and not watching, you would have little grasp of what action was taking place. The announcer two years ago was much better. The current announcer would benefit from a sidekick who knew the rules and could spot for him. To be fair, it is a difficult job requiring quick player identification and the ability to describe fast action coherently. Good point about watching and listening as opposed to just listening. As you say, a spotter/former player would certainly help. And, my standards are simply too lax.
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Post by jojonito on Sept 2, 2019 2:06:48 GMT -5
No need for apologies. I think I posted out of frustration. Usually, I read comments (and this is generically, not this board specifically) "they need to set the middles." Like you, I remember the problems Micha had meshing with Katie--and both were exceptional players with great work ethics. So, when I see middles getting Outside-like hitting stats, I can't help but think PSU has a special setter in Blossom. But then, I find (by reading comments) that Blossom's skills and Rose's strategy is less than optimal. So, I was asking the "them" to explain to me how I had gone wrong. My take-away is that these things are situational, there are no hard-and-fast "right answers," somebody is always going to be more knowledgeable (we know because they'll tell us), and I'll try to keep my observations about player skills and poster knowledgeability to myself. I said try. It makes sense that you knew this already since you've been around a long time. My take on why Gabby was setting the middles so much is that Coach Rose knew that they would be able to get Gabby a good set and Coach may have wanted to solidify the connection between the setter and the middle. Course if you're waiting for Coach to explain it, good luck with that. as I'm sure you know. He tends to be pretty tight lipped about why he does what he does. Sort of like waiting to find out what injuries certain players have that are keeping them out. <sarcasm> I think his prior job might have been in intelligence gathering </sarcasm>. I think I might start using something like sarcasm brackets in the future cuz I have sometimes made sarcastic or whimsical statements that just don't come across in a forum like I wanted them to and so confuse people. I should have know that's how you were stating it especially since you mentioned all the other factors. Oh well. No harm done.
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Post by elliotberton on Sept 2, 2019 12:09:35 GMT -5
No need for apologies. I think I posted out of frustration. Usually, I read comments (and this is generically, not this board specifically) "they need to set the middles." Like you, I remember the problems Micha had meshing with Katie--and both were exceptional players with great work ethics. So, when I see middles getting Outside-like hitting stats, I can't help but think PSU has a special setter in Blossom. But then, I find (by reading comments) that Blossom's skills and Rose's strategy is less than optimal. So, I was asking the "them" to explain to me how I had gone wrong. My take-away is that these things are situational, there are no hard-and-fast "right answers," somebody is always going to be more knowledgeable (we know because they'll tell us), and I'll try to keep my observations about player skills and poster knowledgeability to myself. I said try. It makes sense that you knew this already since you've been around a long time. My take on why Gabby was setting the middles so much is that Coach Rose knew that they would be able to get Gabby a good set and Coach may have wanted to solidify the connection between the setter and the middle. Course if you're waiting for Coach to explain it, good luck with that. as I'm sure you know. He tends to be pretty tight lipped about why he does what he does. Sort of like waiting to find out what injuries certain players have that are keeping them out. <sarcasm> I think his prior job might have been in intelligence gathering </sarcasm>. I think I might start using something like sarcasm brackets in the future cuz I have sometimes made sarcastic or whimsical statements that just don't come across in a forum like I wanted them to and so confuse people. I should have know that's how you were stating it especially since you mentioned all the other factors. Oh well. No harm done. I think the volume of middle attacks this weekend was a combination of factors. Part of the issue is that our OHs are not sure things yet. So Gabby probably has more confidence in her middles. A second point is that Serena was constantly ready and often the only hitting option in out of system/transition plays. A third factor was the number of free balls we got this weekend. The opponents were out of system quite often, so Kendall, Keeton or Jonni could make an easy pass and the ladies could run combination plays. Fourth, a number of middle kills were on over passes (hooray-big improvement over last season). Finally, none of the opponents' middles were able to block the middle attacks at all (look how few errors our middles had). Much of that will change as we play more difficult serving and better blocking teams. Our middles will get blocked a few times, and Gabby will have to look for other options to score in key situations such as bicks (back row quick) more slides and otherwise traditional right and left outside swings (many of which will be blocked). Happily Serena is now much better at the slide which was an issue last year too. Kaitlyn only tried two or three slide attacks so we will see how she is progressing with that essential skill.
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Post by psulion on Sept 2, 2019 12:51:10 GMT -5
Lol. "felt hard done by." Love that characterization!! which leads me to the broadcast booth. There is no such thing as being penalized a point for being out of system. It is out of rotation. Awwwwk. Later the term out of rotation was used when he explained why a team didn't attack well. On the good side, I didn't hear the incorrect term 'backslide.' So there is that. Given we have top 10 attendance at our home court and we doubtlessly have a substantial online following...I think it's fair to expect broadcast personnel to have better technical understanding of the sport. Fortunately, attendance at Rec Hall far exceeds the registered DigNittany following. While the announcer may not have a high volleyball IQ, I think he was mostly literate. I've certainly heard worse.
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Post by psulion on Sept 2, 2019 13:01:36 GMT -5
I think the announcer was okay, but my complaint is with the technical aspects of the streaming. The same as last season, the signal is often dropped and the broadcast interrupted and must be refreshed. It is every couple minutes. I don't have this problem at all when I am watching streaming by other teams. Anyone else have this problem?
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Post by mills on Sept 2, 2019 16:36:04 GMT -5
I think the announcer was okay, but my complaint is with the technical aspects of the streaming. The same as last season, the signal is often dropped and the broadcast interrupted and must be refreshed. It is every couple minutes. I don't have this problem at all when I am watching streaming by other teams. Anyone else have this problem?
I had this problem a few times each match, but I'm pretty sure it was my internet connection. I use a wireless Jetpack.
When I repositioned the Jetpack to a better spot (more bars), the problem went away.
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