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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2015 19:44:31 GMT -5
I do not consider that "continued success" means winning NC but given how the talent has spread and the eager recruitment of 9th graders there will only be greater competition. I think what I was trying to say is what Nyline very nicely dug up in his latest article. Look at the coach Paterno quote(s) in the thread labeled "Respect: Shoji for Rose, Rose for Shoji; for opponents, more." I think that quote(s) is excellent. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2015 19:45:52 GMT -5
I do not consider that "continued success" means winning NC but given how the talent has spread and the eager recruitment of 9th graders there will only be greater competition. That talent you are referring to is spread pretty thick in Minnesota. They are looking like the new dynasty with a franchise freshman setter, who is the second coming of Luaren Carlini.. Having a great setter is the key to winning championships. That was the key for PSU's previous success. |
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Post by seeyajohn on Dec 12, 2015 20:49:51 GMT -5
Watching Hawaii v Minnesota. Apparently a Wahini can handle a Lion but gets run over by a Gopher. Very funny ☺ ( and so far, true) To their credit the Wahini didn't just roll over. They fought hard and the Santana v Taylor match up was spectacular. |
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Post by traveler on Dec 12, 2015 20:54:20 GMT -5
I agree with NYline, looking back, Prieto-Cerame's transfer threw things off. 1) Prieto-Cerame's presence/absence, in my opinion, was not going to make or break this team. She did some things well and other things not so much. In the end she was not a team player (in my opinion), hence her departure. Why does anyone leave a team they just won a NC with? Yes, exactly. Yanz, Longo, Prieto each took their rings and went to respectively NE, HI, and TX. Go figure. I look at all the girls that STAYED even when their dreams of starting or being principle players didn't turn out or were truncated. And the contributions they made behind the scenes or on the bench. They are part of what makes Penn State Volleyball Team so compelling. |
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Post by cross5 on Dec 12, 2015 21:12:03 GMT -5
1) Prieto-Cerame's presence/absence, in my opinion, was not going to make or break this team. She did some things well and other things not so much. In the end she was not a team player (in my opinion), hence her departure. Why does anyone leave a team they just won a NC with? Yes, exactly. Yanz, Longo, Prieto each took their rings and went to respectively NE, HI, and TX. Go figure. I look at all the girls that STAYED even when their dreams of starting or being principle players didn't turn out or were truncated. And the contributions they made behind the scenes or on the bench. They are part of what makes Penn State Volleyball Team so compelling. Wow! That is a terrific post. I wish more people understood and appreciated this. Thanks for writing this. |
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Post by canda on Dec 13, 2015 10:24:37 GMT -5
I agree with NYline, looking back, Prieto-Cerame's transfer threw things off. Recruiting was uncharacteristically quiet after the 2014 class and I don't really see the successor to Whitney and Courtney. The dynasty era is probably over. PSU is a great program but going forward, it is highly unlikely they are going to dominate college VB like they have the last decade. There are too many other great teams and great players out there. Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I agree with most everything you stated in your original post, my only exceptions are to the statements above. 1) Prieto-Cerame's presence/absence, in my opinion, was not going to make or break this team. She did some things well and other things not so much. In the end she was not a team player (in my opinion), hence her departure. Why does anyone leave a team they just won a NC with? 2) Recruiting is governed by how many scholarships a team is allowed by the NCAA. Every school is allowed to offer ONLY 12 scholarships for their D1 VB program. So, if we do the math (i.e., by looking at the current roster), I'm assuming that Russ didn't have any to give out in 2015. The departure of Courtney and Whitney probably frees up 2 of them. Also, some kids may split scholarships but we're not privy to that info. 3) I'd like to know how a dynasty is defined. I'm thinking if PSU were to pull out a National Championship every 4 years, then NO, that is not dynasty material. Although in my book that would be great and respectable - better than any other program in D1 VB. However, if they win 2 more in the next 4 years then they should stay in the conversation. Truth is, we will only know after the fact. We will be able to discuss in hindsight when the great PSU-Russ Rose dynasty really comes to an end. Of course I'm in agreement with your statement that there is greater parity in D1 VB nowadays. Prieto-Cerame had 18 kills against Florida, and has the kind of boundless energy and ferocity that I felt was missing from the team this year. I'm referring to the type of ferocity and energy Micha and Dom had. Megan is a quiet leader, but can be ferocious. Felt she needed to be fed more against Hawaii. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2015 10:38:47 GMT -5
Our ladies fought hard, but our serving was the weakest in recent memory and our defense couldn't match up with the top teams in the NCAA this year. When your opponent hits.389 you know they are making way too many 3 point passes. Second, there is a law that says those behind try harder and will eventually overcome the leader. In the NFL the Super Bowl champ often can't make the playoffs the following year. Where is the intense drive to get better every day in practice when you are already the best? It's human nature to let up when you are ahead (maybe that is why Penn State started so many games great this year and then watched the opponent blow by at the end of the match).
Back to the importance of serving, I am not sure Penn State would have been national champs in 2013 and 2014 without Micha's devestating serve. I won't soon forget how she humiliated Washington in the 2013 semi.
I am looking for a championship in two years, but the bar has sure been raised. Is Kansas going to be last year's BYU?
Hoping for an all Big Ten final this year!
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Post by seeyajohn on Dec 13, 2015 10:47:47 GMT -5
I do not consider that "continued success" means winning NC but given how the talent has spread and the eager recruitment of 9th graders there will only be greater competition. That talent you are referring to is spread pretty thick in Minnesota. They are looking like the new dynasty with a franchise freshman setter, who is the second coming of Luaren Carlini.. I'm pretty sure Santana is graduating. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2015 11:11:58 GMT -5
1) Prieto-Cerame's presence/absence, in my opinion, was not going to make or break this team. She did some things well and other things not so much. In the end she was not a team player (in my opinion), hence her departure. Why does anyone leave a team they just won a NC with? Yes, exactly. Yanz, Longo, Prieto each took their rings and went to respectively NE, HI, and TX. Go figure. I look at all the girls that STAYED even when their dreams of starting or being principle players didn't turn out or were truncated. And the contributions they made behind the scenes or on the bench. They are part of what makes Penn State Volleyball Team so compelling. Wasn't Yanz the one who was waving the camo jacket at the 2008 Semi-final? I heard rumors about Longo's departure, but no negatives afterward. Prieto-Cerame left for whatever reasons, but haven't heard negatives from either side since. It's nice when both sides keep in on the down low. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2015 11:13:17 GMT -5
That talent you are referring to is spread pretty thick in Minnesota. They are looking like the new dynasty with a franchise freshman setter, who is the second coming of Luaren Carlini.. I'm pretty sure Santana is graduating. Daly better be graduating, I've been watching her for four years.  |
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Post by cross5 on Dec 13, 2015 12:04:47 GMT -5
Our ladies fought hard, but our serving was the weakest in recent memory and our defense couldn't match up with the top teams in the NCAA this year. When your opponent hits.389 you know they are making way too many 3 point passes. ............... Back to the importance of serving, I am not sure Penn State would have been national champs in 2013 and 2014 without Micha's devestating serve. I won't soon forget how she humiliated Washington in the 2013 semi. A couple nuggets to chew on and add to. Just in this area If we step back and look at the whole pie it was clear that when we were serving we just couldn't and didn't score points in bunches more then 3 at time. I specifically remember running 4, 5, 6, and 7 points many many times in the 2013 2014 years....even against good teams. Yes we had good servers in Nia Grant and Micha and sometimes Lainy off the bench that could get teams out of system or even have an ace.....but we had very average serves in Dom, Lacy, Kendall and Megan that just knocked the ball over, and yet still managed to get runs off their own! I struggle to remember more than a handful of times where this year's team ran off more than 4 serving points in a row. That makes it difficult to overcome a deficit of more than 3points when the score is past 15. We were a far better blocking team and a far better transition team the past 2 years. How many holes in the block did we see this year? = no service runs How many times did the ball go untouched to the floor? (BTW that is also heavily related to blocking) =no service runs How many times did we see our transition hitter hit out, into the antennae or into the middle of the block? = no service runs How many times did we see an over pass that we didn't kill!? = ugh....no service runsPoint is.....it wasn't just serving.....it was the "special teams" play of blocking, digging and transition that was ALSO very different this year. NOT ONE single player is to blame here. It was collective among other things......for a future discussion |
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Post by treblejig on Dec 13, 2015 12:33:01 GMT -5
I mentioned this in passing, and I do hesitate to mention it again, but I will. As much as I enjoy listening to LB announce, it seems to me that any discussion that exposes the team's weaknesses or gives any inside info to the other team is ill-advised. If I were a coach of another team I would be all ears when she is on the air.
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Post by nyline on Dec 13, 2015 12:53:51 GMT -5
Our ladies fought hard, but our serving was the weakest in recent memory and our defense couldn't match up with the top teams in the NCAA this year. When your opponent hits.389 you know they are making way too many 3 point passes. ............... Back to the importance of serving, I am not sure Penn State would have been national champs in 2013 and 2014 without Micha's devestating serve. I won't soon forget how she humiliated Washington in the 2013 semi. A couple nuggets to chew on and add to. Just in this area If we step back and look at the whole pie it was clear that when we were serving we just couldn't and didn't score points in bunches more then 3 at time. I specifically remember running 4, 5, 6, and 7 points many many times in the 2013 2014 years....even against good teams. Yes we had good servers in Nia Grant and Micha and sometimes Lainy off the bench that could get teams out of system or even have an ace.....but we had very average serves in Dom, Lacy, Kendall and Megan that just knocked the ball over, and yet still managed to get runs off their own! I struggle to remember more than a handful of times where this year's team ran off more than 4 serving points in a row. That makes it difficult to overcome a deficit of more than 3points when the score is past 15. We were a far better blocking team and a far better transition team the past 2 years. How many holes in the block did we see this year? = no service runs How many times did the ball go untouched to the floor? (BTW that is also heavily related to blocking) =no service runs How many times did we see our transition hitter hit out, into the antennae or into the middle of the block? = no service runs How many times did we see an over pass that we didn't kill!? = ugh....no service runsPoint is.....it wasn't just serving.....it was the "special teams" play of blocking, digging and transition that was ALSO very different this year. NOT ONE single player is to blame here. It was collective among other things......for a future discussion I think this is a great post. I look forward to the future discussion. |
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Post by nyline on Dec 13, 2015 12:55:08 GMT -5
I mentioned this in passing, and I do hesitate to mention it again, but I will. As much as I enjoy listening to LB announce, it seems to me that any discussion that exposes the team's weaknesses or gives any inside info to the other team is ill-advised. If I were a coach of another team I would be all ears when she is on the air. I think in theory that is probably correct -- but I doubt any team monitors opponents' student broadcast teams, so I doubt that it is a problem. That said, you have a point. |
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Post by nyline on Dec 13, 2015 12:56:07 GMT -5
Yes, exactly. Yanz, Longo, Prieto each took their rings and went to respectively NE, HI, and TX. Go figure. I look at all the girls that STAYED even when their dreams of starting or being principle players didn't turn out or were truncated. And the contributions they made behind the scenes or on the bench. They are part of what makes Penn State Volleyball Team so compelling. Wasn't Yanz the one who was waving the camo jacket at the 2008 Semi-final? I heard rumors about Longo's departure, but no negatives afterward. Prieto-Cerame left for whatever reasons, but haven't heard negatives from either side since. It's nice when both sides keep in on the down low. No, that was an injured MB whose name I have blocked from my memory (I think of her only as "Camo Jacket Waving Girl") |
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