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Post by psumaui on Dec 15, 2015 17:27:05 GMT -5
I know some people don't think we will be able to win it all in 2016, but I still believe(as I have at beginning of season) that the 2016 team will be better than the 2015 team was. I think one issue was that this team wasn't prepared physically like the past teams. Meaning they wore down at end of season and that comes from not working hard enough in the gym to build up that endurance and get that mentality of "Going hard" all the time and having the ability to do so. In the past years, we have wore down some really good teams but those teams didn't have it in them to go hard all the time. Reason I think this 2016 team will be better is we will have a better Libero next year that has that "never say die" attitude and reminds me of Nummy's dedication and determination. I know we lose Courtney and Whitney at the front but I think that the 2016 team will not have those two to get them out of tough situations and will actually have more team chemistry. That is the key to next season for winning it all and getting back on top. I also think now that the Seniors are gone, Washington will take the lead and push the players next year. We also need to have Bryanna set a faster game. I think that will come as she gets experience. I think Russ needs to get a DS transfer like he has done in the past if none of the current DS's work out. Remember, Russ can and has brought in transfers into the back court. The Widgit is one that made a huge difference in 2009-10 when she came from Boston College in 2008. She and Nummy were awesome in the back court those two years! Besides all that, I am planning on going to the Final Four next year and every time I make plans to go to see them in Championship, they get there, so they have to win!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2015 18:09:30 GMT -5
Sometimes my writing lacks clarity. And sometimes I handicap myself by not carefully reading something I'm commenting on. I was referring to Novakovic and Rivera together. Making a connection that was not intended.
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Post by bob2061 on Dec 15, 2015 18:20:46 GMT -5
Yes they are. Are you surprised?
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Post by nyline on Dec 15, 2015 18:21:10 GMT -5
Sometimes my writing lacks clarity. And sometimes I handicap myself by not carefully reading something I'm commenting on. I was referring to Novakovic and Rivera together. Making a connection that was not intended. I liked the idea of Rivera and Novakovic splitting tine in a DS/front row combo role. It would have meant Rivera had serious, serious hops, and Novakovic was a 6-3 waterbug with a big arm. Oh well.
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Post by bob2061 on Dec 15, 2015 18:39:48 GMT -5
I know some people don't think we will be able to win it all in 2016, but I still believe(as I have at beginning of season) that the 2016 team will be better than the 2015 team was. I think one issue was that this team wasn't prepared physically like the past teams. Meaning they wore down at end of season and that comes from not working hard enough in the gym to build up that endurance and get that mentality of "Going hard" all the time and having the ability to do so. In the past years, we have wore down some really good teams but those teams didn't have it in them to go hard all the time. Reason I think this 2016 team will be better is we will have a better Libero next year that has that "never say die" attitude and reminds me of Nummy's dedication and determination. I know we lose Courtney and Whitney at the front but I think that the 2016 team will not have those two to get them out of tough situations and will actually have more team chemistry. That is the key to next season for winning it all and getting back on top. I also think now that the Seniors are gone, Washington will take the lead and push the players next year. We also need to have Bryanna set a faster game. I think that will come as she gets experience. I think Russ needs to get a DS transfer like he has done in the past if none of the current DS's work out. Remember, Russ can and has brought in transfers into the back court. The Widgit is one that made a huge difference in 2009-10 when she came from Boston College in 2008. She and Nummy were awesome in the back court those two years! Besides all that, I am planning on going to the Final Four next year and every time I make plans to go to see them in Championship, they get there, so they have to win! I like your optimism but sometimes we need to be realistic. Our team this past year was in usually good shape but simply did not have adequate defensive players to keep rallies going against the better teams. Then later injuries started taking a toll. I can't recall the last time we played a freshman libero who wasn't a liability on the court. You simply need time to master that position coming in from high school. BTW we probably will not be bringing in any DS transfer. Even Coach Rose has said that he doesn't have a replacement for Megan Courtney. BTW I'm pretty sure you will be able to root for a Big Ten team in the Championships next year.
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Post by tillie1014 on Dec 15, 2015 19:47:59 GMT -5
A faster game has some complexities that seem to be easily overlooked in this discussion. Hitters must change their routines and learn to hit from different locations or zones. That change is not an easy or simple correction. Add the talk about a 6/2 a and complications are multiplied.d overnight. Recall that when Micha began some of our experienced hitters struggled with the differing setting actions and tempo. If you run a 6/2 at the same time then you have two setters that if not duplicates in tempo you are asking for an attacker to have multiple profiles. Losing an attacker from the back row is another consideration that must be evaluated before the 5/1 is discarded.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2015 23:26:29 GMT -5
I know some people don't think we will be able to win it all in 2016, but I still believe(as I have at beginning of season) that the 2016 team will be better than the 2015 team was. I think one issue was that this team wasn't prepared physically like the past teams. Meaning they wore down at end of season and that comes from not working hard enough in the gym to build up that endurance and get that mentality of "Going hard" all the time and having the ability to do so. In the past years, we have wore down some really good teams but those teams didn't have it in them to go hard all the time. Reason I think this 2016 team will be better is we will have a better Libero next year that has that "never say die" attitude and reminds me of Nummy's dedication and determination. I know we lose Courtney and Whitney at the front but I think that the 2016 team will not have those two to get them out of tough situations and will actually have more team chemistry. That is the key to next season for winning it all and getting back on top. I also think now that the Seniors are gone, Washington will take the lead and push the players next year. We also need to have Bryanna set a faster game. I think that will come as she gets experience.I think Russ needs to get a DS transfer like he has done in the past if none of the current DS's work out. Remember, Russ can and has brought in transfers into the back court. The Widgit is one that made a huge difference in 2009-10 when she came from Boston College in 2008. She and Nummy were awesome in the back court those two years! Besides all that, I am planning on going to the Final Four next year and every time I make plans to go to see them in Championship, they get there, so they have to win! Definitely see the 2016 being better than the 2015 team. Agree with all your points above. Especially the the third one I've underlined regarding the loss of Courtney and Whitney. I believe it will force players to step up, like what happened when Courtney was injured for several matches earlier this year.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2015 23:29:54 GMT -5
Yes they are. Are you surprised? I knew Novakovic was a lefty but I hadn't noticed that Rivera is also a lefty. I'm really hoping Rivera gains more confidence next year, improves, and plays to her level of athleticism. Coach tabbed her as the starting setter in the pre-season, which says a lot. She could end up stealing the job from Bryanna or, at least, rotating time with her. Also, I'm interested to see what the new incoming MB Demure brings to the table, as a setter-option.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2015 23:39:10 GMT -5
A faster game has some complexities that seem to be easily overlooked in this discussion. Hitters must change their routines and learn to hit from different locations or zones. That change is not an easy or simple correction. Add the talk about a 6/2 a and complications are multiplied.d overnight. Recall that when Micha began some of our experienced hitters struggled with the differing setting actions and tempo. If you run a 6/2 at the same time then you have two setters that if not duplicates in tempo you are asking for an attacker to have multiple profiles. Losing an attacker from the back row is another consideration that must be evaluated before the 5/1 is discarded. I don't know if a 6/2 will work, but a faster tempo 5/1 offense is necessary for success in the current BIG10 conference. Bryanna telegraphed many of her sets this year in many matches, which gave defenses ample time to camp out on and block our outside hitters. I know the transition will be difficult, but look how USC was able to implement it with a freshman setter. Bricio, a senior, was also able to make serious changes to her approach in order to make the system work. Also, Minnesota was able to implement a faster tempo offense with a freshman setter. I'm saying it's possible, but I don't know if coach and his staff agree (we are all conjecturing here, as we are not privy to coaches internal staff meetings - love to be a fly on the wall there). These types of transition require a lot of hard work and dedication. It's the staffs job, of course, to evaluate if the talent can reach that level.
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Post by bob2061 on Dec 15, 2015 23:56:46 GMT -5
I'm sure the coaches will thoroughly examine the setter position for next year and that will answer many of our questions.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2015 11:02:23 GMT -5
My message to all the frosh and soph players: taste hunger. You had a taste of success and maybe it seemed like your legacy or your destiny. now taste hunger and let that motivate you the way it did as the team rebuilt after 2011 and 2012. 8M asked us in October who was the best PSU team. I voted for the one that won the 3rd successive NCAA title in 2009. So many players knew nothing but winning it all, and i think that may be a sort of handicap. somehow that team winning despite that expectation seemed more remarkable to me than any of the other choices offered. It's aberrational for teams to repeat let alone 3- or 4-peat. That said, i didn't want it to end. I really think that the 2012 team would have won the title were it not for the injury to Micha in the semis. That (maybe) and the oft-forgotten fact that a blown call on set point in game 2 kept Oregon alive (and they eventually came back and won a game they actually lost). Down 0-2, it was highly unlikely they were coming back to win it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2015 12:40:06 GMT -5
I know some people don't think we will be able to win it all in 2016, but I still believe(as I have at beginning of season) that the 2016 team will be better than the 2015 team was. I think one issue was that this team wasn't prepared physically like the past teams. Meaning they wore down at end of season and that comes from not working hard enough in the gym to build up that endurance and get that mentality of "Going hard" all the time and having the ability to do so. In the past years, we have wore down some really good teams but those teams didn't have it in them to go hard all the time. Reason I think this 2016 team will be better is we will have a better Libero next year that has that "never say die" attitude and reminds me of Nummy's dedication and determination. I know we lose Courtney and Whitney at the front but I think that the 2016 team will not have those two to get them out of tough situations and will actually have more team chemistry. That is the key to next season for winning it all and getting back on top. I also think now that the Seniors are gone, Washington will take the lead and push the players next year. We also need to have Bryanna set a faster game. I think that will come as she gets experience. I think Russ needs to get a DS transfer like he has done in the past if none of the current DS's work out. Remember, Russ can and has brought in transfers into the back court. The Widgit is one that made a huge difference in 2009-10 when she came from Boston College in 2008. She and Nummy were awesome in the back court those two years! Besides all that, I am planning on going to the Final Four next year and every time I make plans to go to see them in Championship, they get there, so they have to win! I like your optimism but sometimes we need to be realistic. Our team this past year was in usually good shape but simply did not have adequate defensive players to keep rallies going against the better teams. Then later injuries started taking a toll. I can't recall the last time we played a freshman libero who wasn't a liability on the court. You simply need time to master that position coming in from high school. BTW we probably will not be bringing in any DS transfer. Even Coach Rose has said that he doesn't have a replacement for Megan Courtney. BTW I'm pretty sure you will be able to root for a Big Ten team in the Championships next year. The initial post makes a lot of suppositions with not much evidence. There's no evidence that this team "wasn't prepared physically" like previous years. Pretty sure the players would tell you that the physical training/preparation was identical to past years. In mentioning players of the past, it is very unfair (and wrongheaded) to assume that they were somehow more dedicated or determined than any player on this team. Even more unfounded is to look at some player coming in as the undeniable answer to present holes or issues. I can point to MANY players on the present team who would put any incoming recruit to shame when it comes to work ethic, desire, or dedication. Like most club/HS players yet to begin PSU training, we can echo the villain in "Silence of the Lambs" as he called down into a well to his next victim, "You don't know what pain is!" (OK--a little dark, but you get the picture.) My point is that you are unfairly, and I think unintentionally, insulting many players who have given everything they have to this program and institution,...and then some. And let me remind you, all but the present freshmen have something that no incoming (nor likely you or I) have--one or two National Championship trophies. Now, if you want to argue that some new DS might have more "ability" than what PSU might have returning or what they had this year, OK. That will only be determined next year. As far as the stated reason that PSU "simply did not have adequate defensive players to keep rallies going against the better teams" as a main reason for failure this year, I think that would fall quite a ways down on the list of problems. One of the MAIN reasons, and probably THE main reason, was stated by someone earlier: the team's inability to create runs of points, mostly generated via excellent serving. 2014 PSU generated 243 aces at a 1.91/set clip compared to the 2015 team's 125 at 1.12/set. That is a significant drop-off. And it doesn't even account for how many times Hancock's serve put an opponent out-of-system, producing free or weak down balls for easy transition points. Dominant teams in any sport THRIVE on the ability to score easy points--in bunches: the home run, the quick strike long pass, the fast break. If a team consistently must slug it out for points and cannot generate runs of "easy" scores, the likelihood that they will struggle at times, even breakdown, increases substantially. Couple this problem with PSU's struggles with closing blocks (which was likely somewhat tied to serving), and the defense will be put upon to "extend rallies." Conversely, PSU's serve receive for much of the season struggled. Through much of 2014, PSU's SR was handled by Gonzales, Courtney, and Frantti/Pierce, and accounted for 61 reception errors (Courtney led all with 26). In 2015, PSU passers had 89 reception errors with Holcomb and Frantti accounting for over 60% of those. You can go look at the 2015 Reception efficiency % if you like--you might be surprised. The main difference between this year's team and the last two was Hancock: her serving, her ability to freeze blockers or get out of a bad rotation by turning on a 2nd ball at any moment, and possibly most importantly, her intimidation factor. This kid gave the impression that if she wasn't playing volleyball she'd be driving an 18-wheeler down I-70. Either way, she was going to run you over. At any rate, the 2016 PSU team has a long way to go.
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Post by nyline on Dec 16, 2015 13:51:33 GMT -5
I like your optimism but sometimes we need to be realistic. Our team this past year was in usually good shape but simply did not have adequate defensive players to keep rallies going against the better teams. Then later injuries started taking a toll. I can't recall the last time we played a freshman libero who wasn't a liability on the court. You simply need time to master that position coming in from high school. BTW we probably will not be bringing in any DS transfer. Even Coach Rose has said that he doesn't have a replacement for Megan Courtney. BTW I'm pretty sure you will be able to root for a Big Ten team in the Championships next year. The initial post makes a lot of suppositions with not much evidence. There's no evidence that this team "wasn't prepared physically" like previous years. Pretty sure the players would tell you that the physical training/preparation was identical to past years. In mentioning players of the past, it is very unfair (and wrongheaded) to assume that they were somehow more dedicated or determined than any player on this team. Even more unfounded is to look at some player coming in as the undeniable answer to present holes or issues. I can point to MANY players on the present team who would put any incoming recruit to shame when it comes to work ethic, desire, or dedication. Like most club/HS players yet to begin PSU training, we can echo the villain in "Silence of the Lambs" as he called down into a well to his next victim, "You don't know what pain is!" (OK--a little dark, but you get the picture.) My point is that you are unfairly, and I think unintentionally, insulting many players who have given everything they have to this program and institution,...and then some. And let me remind you, all but the present freshmen have something that no incoming (nor likely you or I) have--one or two National Championship trophies. Now, if you want to argue that some new DS might have more "ability" than what PSU might have returning or what they had this year, OK. That will only be determined next year. As far as the stated reason that PSU "simply did not have adequate defensive players to keep rallies going against the better teams" as a main reason for failure this year, I think that would fall quite a ways down on the list of problems. One of the MAIN reasons, and probably THE main reason, was stated by someone earlier: the team's inability to create runs of points, mostly generated via excellent serving. 2014 PSU generated 243 aces at a 1.91/set clip compared to the 2015 team's 125 at 1.12/set. That is a significant drop-off. And it doesn't even account for how many times Hancock's serve put an opponent out-of-system, producing free or weak down balls for easy transition points. Dominant teams in any sport THRIVE on the ability to score easy points--in bunches: the home run, the quick strike long pass, the fast break. If a team consistently must slug it out for points and cannot generate runs of "easy" scores, the likelihood that they will struggle at times, even breakdown, increases substantially. Couple this problem with PSU's struggles with closing blocks (which was likely somewhat tied to serving), and the defense will be put upon to "extend rallies." Conversely, PSU's serve receive for much of the season struggled. Through much of 2014, PSU's SR was handled by Gonzales, Courtney, and Frantti/Pierce, and accounted for 61 reception errors (Courtney led all with 26). In 2015, PSU passers had 89 reception errors with Holcomb and Frantti accounting for over 60% of those. You can go look at the 2015 Reception efficiency % if you like--you might be surprised. The main difference between this year's team and the last two was Hancock: her serving, her ability to freeze blockers or get out of a bad rotation by turning on a 2nd ball at any moment, and possibly most importantly, her intimidation factor. This kid gave the impression that if she wasn't playing volleyball she'd be driving an 18-wheeler down I-70. Either way, she was going to run you over. At any rate, the 2016 PSU team has a long way to go. This is probably my favorite description, all time, of Micha Hancock.
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Post by traveler on Dec 16, 2015 14:51:38 GMT -5
From the PSU archives Dec 18, 2008:
Head Coach John Cook On the importance of the camouflage jacket "After we lost at Colorado, we decided that we had to fight a lot harder when teams came at us and that was really our first punch in the gut, the match that we had. So the next day at practice, to use as a metaphor, we brought in the camo. It was in every practice and actually traveled with us for the rest of the year. Kori [Cooper] just happened to bring it on the bench and wear it against Washington and so it stayed. But it's been with us since the Colorado match to remind us how hard we have to fight as a team and it is a great metaphor for us." I'll never forget that match: Remember that we took them in 1st two sets pretty handily but the 17K plus crowd was extremely loud and took something out of the players after that. As Russ said in post match press conference; "I think the players looked tired" I hope MN and NE gets to final and MN can withstand the pressure of playing there and take the NC trophy home with them! PSUMaui: Forever grateful for all the video hook-ups you provide. Don't know how you do it!!, sincerely, Traveler
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Post by tillie1014 on Dec 16, 2015 15:18:41 GMT -5
The comment that Bryanna telegraphed her sets might be interpreted in another way if the defense people were in position to object to the attack. When the setter gets pulled away from the net, from the center of the court or well behind the 3meter line her options are obviously reduced. The defense knows this as well as any observer of any experience. So her telegraphing may not be her physical posture but the result of the location from which she must make her set. The changing of personnel on the right side also factors in where the set might go.
PSU has seldom had to resort to trickery in its offensive game and that coupled with the passing reduces the options further or perhaps gives the defense a more positive odds situation.
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