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Post by nyline on Apr 19, 2017 14:40:44 GMT -5
Friend Bob defends his position admirably. To be clear, Coach Sanderson has elevated PSU onto a very small list of schools where wrestlers want to go. He brings in guys from all over the place, and in so doing out recruits the Oklahomas and the Iowas, who used to be the "places to go." Until Sanderson arrived, PSU wrestling was very good, but not in the very top tier. None of my observations were intended to diminish the undeniably impressive work he has done-even while he himself returned to competition. I would also like to point out that PSU has benefitted from a number of other highly successful coaches, including Erica Walsh, who is also raising the school's profile in a very competitive sport. So while I bask in Cross' optimism, I do acknowledge that the VB team missed out on some top talent. I suspect that the reasons we missed out are more complicated and nuanced than deficiencies in our coaching staff, but I am insufficiently well informed to dispute such comments with any true assurance. Oh, stop being so dang thoughtful and considered.  |
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Post by bob2061 on Apr 21, 2017 21:03:12 GMT -5
I remember back a few years when all the PSU diehard fans were drinking the blue-and-white koolaid and being so politically correct to never say anything negative about our wrestling team. NOW we are so happy the team is winning and winning big. I guess we aren't allowed to think some changes were made that made ALL the differences. Coach Rose blames the players for not wanting to win bad enough but when you go 3 years in a row without bringing in a top 30 (actually more like top 50 class considering honorable-mentions) I can't put all the blame on the players. Sorry Coach, it doesn't work that way.
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Post by nyline on Apr 22, 2017 8:56:59 GMT -5
I remember back a few years when all the PSU diehard fans were drinking the blue-and-white koolaid and being so politically correct to never say anything negative about our wrestling team. NOW we are so happy the team is winning and winning big. I guess we aren't allowed to think some changes were made that made ALL the differences. Coach Rose blames the players for not wanting to win bad enough but when you go 3 years in a row without bringing in a top 30 (actually more like top 50 class considering honorable-mentions) I can't put all the blame on the players. Sorry Coach, it doesn't work that way. If I understand your post (very possibly I don't) you are suggesting an analogy between (1) the very good-but-not-great Penn State wrestling teams prior to the hiring of Cael Sanderson, and the great accomplishments since (six national championships in seven years?), and (2) the great accomplishments of the Penn State women's volleyball team from 2007 through 2014 (six national championships in eight years) and the bounced in Sweet Sixteen performances in 2015 and 2016 (albeit, coming within one point of knocking off the #1 seeded Nebraska Cornhuskers on, effectively, their home court in 2016). You state that "political correctness" precluded anyone from saying anything negative about the wrestling team's performances prior to Cael's hiring, take an out of context statement by Coach Rose about players "not wanting to win bad enough" (I have been at many post-match press conferences; Coach Rose has never, in my experience, placed all the blame on players -- not even close), and chide Coach Rose, again, for not bringing in "top 30" or "top 50" recruiting classes "3 years in a row," telling him "Sorry Coach Coach, it doesn't work that way." In a previous post you appeared to suggest that Coach Rose and his staff simply don't work hard enough. So, taking it all together, am I correct in assuming that you have concluded that a coaching change is in order? There's no "politically correct" line that anyone on this site needs to follow. As other posters have noted in this thread, Penn State missed out on some talent in the past three classes. Some of that may have been corrected with the addition of Kat Cather and Michaela Puznicki. And, though you don't appear to agree, with the addition in 2018 of what many believe is a very, very good Penn State class. I don't know how the team will do in 2017. I think they will be very, very good and my best guess is a Final Four team, but who knows. I also don't know how good the 2018 class really is: I'm not even close to being a recruiting expert, and I suspect you aren't either. But I do believe, very, very strongly, that those who think replacing Coach Rose is a good idea (if that is, in fact, what you think) are way off the mark, So, what are you suggesting? |
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Post by tillie on Apr 24, 2017 7:40:17 GMT -5
The class of 14 were the "BEST IN THE LAND" as they finished their club season. Now you area sophomore player highly recruited and are viewing your opportunities is there room at PSU for me to start or get a lot of playing time?(ala Kelly Robinson who bailed early. Meanwhile Stanford and Nebraska were seeking to find special players and with their attractive academic and athletic programs obviously were drawn to that source.
and then there is the error factor. Do you remember the all star setter from Colorado that did not last two months here?
There were not enough positives to describe her talent but she left quietly and completely. why? We do not know and it is not important that we know.
Can Russ error? Yes and has. Are they working hard? If you ask that question you do not know the coaches and their passion.
LAY OFF
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Post by centralpennvbfan on Apr 24, 2017 12:04:20 GMT -5
The class of 14 were the "BEST IN THE LAND" as they finished their club season. Now you area sophomore player highly recruited and are viewing your opportunities is there room at PSU for me to start or get a lot of playing time?(ala Kelly Robinson who bailed early. Meanwhile Stanford and Nebraska were seeking to find special players and with their attractive academic and athletic programs obviously were drawn to that source. and then there is the error factor. Do you remember the all star setter from Colorado that did not last two months here? There were not enough positives to describe her talent but she left quietly and completely. why? We do not know and it is not important that we know. Can Russ error? Yes and has. Are they working hard? If you ask that question you do not know the coaches and their passion. LAY OFF Thank you Tillie! Coach Rose flew over 25 times in February in his recruiting adventures. Positions were filled and future players identified. Be thankful that no one is resting on their laurels. We need to be thankful for the commitment of our coaching staff... maybe we should be demanding the AD to do what is right and extend contracts. Recruits want to believe that their coach will be there to the end... |
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Post by traveler on Apr 24, 2017 13:06:06 GMT -5
The class of 14 were the "BEST IN THE LAND" as they finished their club season. Now you area sophomore player highly recruited and are viewing your opportunities is there room at PSU for me to start or get a lot of playing time?(ala Kelly Robinson who bailed early. Meanwhile Stanford and Nebraska were seeking to find special players and with their attractive academic and athletic programs obviously were drawn to that source. and then there is the error factor. Do you remember the all star setter from Colorado that did not last two months here? There were not enough positives to describe her talent but she left quietly and completely. why? We do not know and it is not important that we know. Can Russ error? Yes and has. Are they working hard? If you ask that question you do not know the coaches and their passion. LAY OFF The only thing I would question is the assertion of the attractive academic programs at NE. As a former east-coaster, I was never aware of NE being an academic pull, the way Stanford and Penn State are. I wasn't a Pennsylvanian, but I always regarded an acceptance at PSU for kids in my area as a feather in their caps. One thing that has confounded me about the draw of NE for WVB is the Lauren-John Cook-Osborne fiasco. I always feel Russ Rose has a moral compass that is/was missing at NE. That would be a deciding factor about where to play, IMHO. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2017 16:44:12 GMT -5
I don't really have much skin in PSU volleyball--I never went to PSU, I don't donate money to the school or the team, and I don't have any kids going there. I'm just a fan. Nevertheless, there are imponderables about recruiting, coaching, player and team performance, why Coach Rose schedules who he schedules, any number of issues that never seem to get addressed. We've all been spoiled by the last 10-15 years--particularly from 2007 through 2014.
During those years, nobody minded that we never really received much information from Coach Rose. And with PSU's track record, who could ask a question and not sound churlish? The Rose model seems to be all about information control. So when things appear amiss--when the team suffers more losses than usual, when we don't seem to sign the right players at the right positions, and the issues aren't addressed--we can get cranky.
One thing that I think is not questionable is what type of program Coach Rose runs. He seems to treat his players with respect--and that includes respecting them enough to tell them that they're not going to get a starting position. I have no clue how this gets communicated and it's really none my business, but we do see players who aren't playing move to other programs and I have a feeling these kids aren't simply kicked to the curb. That's a good thing. I don't think that will change. Waiting an extra year in how these changes are implemented may incur a cost that Rose is willing to bear. Maybe it helps him sleep at night.
I'm personally OK if some of our posters let their frustration show. And I'm OK when folks take exception. But I get a little uncomfortable when dissenters are invited to keep their opinions to themselves.
Any guesses about when the schedule will be posted?
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Post by traveler on Apr 24, 2017 16:57:25 GMT -5
At the same time that there seems to be a tight hold on some of the information, there's also a flow of information to obscure places that's been super-revealing. The Flo-Volleyball series is a case in point. If I recall, there was a bit of tape showing Coach inviting Thelen to leave a practice. Didn't see what led up to it, but it was clear that if you aren't 110% in practice, you aren't needed. Compare that to the chokehold on info about spring season, when OSU for example, posted it on their site.
As to the sched, OSU has 2017 posted, so it's not an NCAA or BIG issue. Is it Coach? Is it AD?
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Post by nyline on Apr 24, 2017 17:11:11 GMT -5
At the same time that there seems to be a tight hold on some of the information, there's also a flow of information to obscure places that's been super-revealing. The Flo-Volleyball series is a case in point. If I recall, there was a bit of tape showing Coach inviting Thelen to leave a practice. Didn't see what led up to it, but it was clear that if you aren't 110% in practice, you aren't needed. Compare that to the chokehold on info about spring season, when OSU for example, posted it on their site. As to the sched, OSU has 2017 posted, so it's not an NCAA or BIG issue. Is it Coach? Is it AD? Has to be my slacker staff. I'll check 😀 |
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Post by treblejig on Apr 24, 2017 19:48:01 GMT -5
Going to State College with my daughter on Saturday, would love to happen upon some spring volleyball.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2017 19:52:37 GMT -5
Going to State College with my daughter on Saturday, would love to happen upon some spring volleyball. Me too! Might be a chance to receive a first-ever, firsthand report on spring volleyball. |
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Post by nyline on Apr 24, 2017 19:57:50 GMT -5
I don't really have much skin in PSU volleyball--I never went to PSU, I don't donate money to the school or the team, and I don't have any kids going there. I'm just a fan. Nevertheless, there are imponderables about recruiting, coaching, player and team performance, why Coach Rose schedules who he schedules, any number of issues that never seem to get addressed. We've all been spoiled by the last 10-15 years--particularly from 2007 through 2014. . . . . Really good stuff deleted by nyline . . . ,. I'm personally OK if some of our posters let their frustration show. And I'm OK when folks take exception. But I get a little uncomfortable when dissenters are invited to keep their opinions to themselves. I won't try to speak for any other posters, but my wish is "dissenting" or "contrarian" posts make good use of actual facts, be clear on the "solution" they propose, and acknowledge fact-based criticisms of their positions. Innuendo is not a helpful approach, nor is repeating the same argument without responding to criticisms or questioning of that argument. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2017 20:31:38 GMT -5
I don't really have much skin in PSU volleyball--I never went to PSU, I don't donate money to the school or the team, and I don't have any kids going there. I'm just a fan. Nevertheless, there are imponderables about recruiting, coaching, player and team performance, why Coach Rose schedules who he schedules, any number of issues that never seem to get addressed. We've all been spoiled by the last 10-15 years--particularly from 2007 through 2014. . . . . Really good stuff deleted by nyline . . . ,. I'm personally OK if some of our posters let their frustration show. And I'm OK when folks take exception. But I get a little uncomfortable when dissenters are invited to keep their opinions to themselves. I won't try to speak for any other posters, but my wish is "dissenting" or "contrarian" posts make good use of actual facts, be clear on the "solution" they propose, and acknowledge fact-based criticisms of their positions. Innuendo is not a helpful approach, nor is repeating the same argument without responding to criticisms or questioning of that argument. Well of course. I meant to say that and would have were it not for psycho-social-shortcomings that are best left undiscussed in polite company. |
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Post by traveler on Apr 25, 2017 17:44:55 GMT -5
Going to State College with my daughter on Saturday, would love to happen upon some spring volleyball. According to OSU and MN, their spring seasons are over---if I'm reading their sites right. Don't know if there is an NCAA or BIG restriction on when they can play. |
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Post by tillie on Apr 25, 2017 18:44:14 GMT -5
Nebraska is considered to be a fine school well in the same category as PSU who by the way is till referred to by many as THE COW SCHOOL
Of course neither have the academic reputation of Stanford but excel in many areas that are not part of the Stanford curriculum.
I have followed PSU women's volleyball before Salima became a student. Russ has never promoted any exposure for the spring activity and in many cases it would dishwater dull seeing the drills and routines that he has used when Pitt comes to the spring event. Over the last few years there has been a very closed door philosophy that may well be either the new AD or the Paterno controversy surrounding the entire University. Given his personality I would guess, remember GUESS, that he would prefer it to be more open
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