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Post by ethankasales on Sept 23, 2019 13:53:06 GMT -5
The Nittany Lions moved back a spot to No. 5 in this week’s AVCA coaches’ poll following a 1-1 weekend against Pitt. The Panthers are now No. 4 after their sweep Friday night at Rec Hall. Stanford regained its No. 1 ranking after beating Nebraska.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2019 15:01:19 GMT -5
And BYU is doing Rodney Dangerfield impressions.
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Post by traveler on Sept 23, 2019 15:09:10 GMT -5
Like Ethan Says...
Here's the rest,
Rank School (First-Place Votes) Total Points Adjusted 2019 Record Previous Week 1 Stanford (28) 1540 6-2 2 2 Baylor (27) 1489 9-0 5 3 Nebraska (6) 1460 8-1 1 4 Pittsburgh (1) 1391 11-1 6 5 Penn State 1266 7-2 4 6 Texas 1248 6-2 3 7 Minnesota 1237 6-2 7 8 Washington 1149 9-1 10 9 BYU (2) 1126 9-2 12 10 Marquette 1048 10-2 8 11 Hawai'i 901 10-1 13 12 Florida 890 9-2 11 13 Wisconsin 770 4-4 9 14 Creighton 745 7-3 15 15 Purdue 635 8-1 21 16 Kentucky 536 7-4 16 17 Colorado State 526 10-1 22 18 Utah 490 8-3 18 19 Missouri 453 8-2 17 20 Illinois 439 5-4 19 21 California 344 10-0 24 22 Rice 247 11-1 NR[ed.: No Respect?] 23 Florida State 179 6-3 23 24 Oregon 138 4-5 14 25 Southern California 126 6-4 20
Others receiving votes and listed on two or more ballots: Louisville 92; Colorado 85; Washington State 74; San Diego 51; Michigan 37; Western Kentucky 19; Cincinnati 9; Indiana 9; Iowa State 5; UC Santa Barbara 5; Tennessee 4; Stephen F. Austin 3
Ten teams mentioned on only one ballot for a total of 34 combined points.
Dropped Out: Louisville 25
Ed: This seems to be the week that the programs with the most wins got a little more respect...e.g., Rice, Colorado St., Purdue, Hawaii, and drum roll please Baylor. Extra credit: explain a team with a losing record...Oregon...Good for us of course for them to keep a good RPI. But...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2019 15:25:24 GMT -5
Thanks for a comprehensive list, Traveler.
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Post by stillkicking on Sept 23, 2019 17:46:30 GMT -5
I would like to know how the hell Stanford is still #1, Just shows how full of B/S these polls are.
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Post by pennstate1973 on Sept 23, 2019 18:49:50 GMT -5
I would like to know how the hell Stanford is still #1, Just shows how full of B/S these polls are. Oh wise one, who should be #1. Please inform us.
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Post by nyline on Sept 23, 2019 19:45:37 GMT -5
I would like to know how the hell Stanford is still #1, Just shows how full of B/S these polls are. Oh wise one, who should be #1. Please inform us. I've been watching, along with Mrs. Nyline, a TV show called Professor T. Professor T really is a wise one -- genius, in fact. Also very noticeably obsessive compulsive disorder, hallucinates frequently, and has virtually no filters about what he says to others. Oh, and he consults for the Antwerp police. Now, I think Professor T would ask the questions (and who's going to effectively challenge my hypothesis, given that Professor T is a fictional character who speaks Flemish and French) do you mean #1 right now, based on season-to-date, or #1 by end of season? And, answering his own questions, I think Professor T would say Baylor, right now, and Stanford by the end of the season. And, given that Professor T is a genius, I'd go with his answers. Of course, Professor T also thinks sports are a tribal expression of warfare, and basically a criminal endeavor, so there's that.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2019 20:44:43 GMT -5
I don't suffer from obsessive-compulsive disorder, but I have had my sanity questioned... In any event, the question of number 1 when is a good way to look at this. Most people would say Stanford is the odds-on favorite to be number 1 at the season's end. But right now, giving the number 1 ranking to a team with two recent losses is a stretch--especially when there's an undefeated team that could be number 1. Yes, Stanford has played a tough schedule, but Baylor played a reasonably challenging schedule. I'd have voted Baylor number 1, but nobody asked me to submit their poll.
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Post by elliotberton on Sept 23, 2019 21:49:20 GMT -5
It looks like 36 voters did not think Stanford should be 1 right now. I have not seen Baylor play yet.
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Post by ethankasales on Sept 23, 2019 22:00:30 GMT -5
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Post by nitneliun on Sept 24, 2019 10:14:22 GMT -5
You have to remember that one AVCA voter (Morgan State HC) left Baylor off her ballot. If she had given them an appropriate vote (somewhere in the top 5), Baylor would likely be #1 in this poll.
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Post by traveler on Sept 24, 2019 10:20:38 GMT -5
It looks like 36 voters did not think Stanford should be 1 right now. I have not seen Baylor play yet. BTW, Gia Milana, who IIRC went to UMD because Aird moved there, transferred to Baylor (last year?). I thought the B1G wrongly ignored her...she seemed to be UMD's everything OH. Good move it would appear. She's contributing at Baylor but far from their best hitter.
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Post by nyline on Sept 24, 2019 10:38:46 GMT -5
You have to remember that one AVCA voter (Morgan State HC) left Baylor off her ballot. If she had given them an appropriate vote (somewhere in the top 5), Baylor would likely be #1 in this poll. That's a great point. I understand that polls affect seeding for the NCAA tournament, but at the end of the day, a team has to win six matches to win the tournament and the team that does is #1 regardless of what any poll said prior to that final win. So, not irrelevant, but at this stage of the season, pretty close.
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Post by jojonito on Sept 24, 2019 10:50:06 GMT -5
I would like to know how the hell Stanford is still #1, Just shows how full of B/S these polls are. I've got to disagree with you. I assume you think that Baylor should be #1. Who has Baylor beat? Wisconsin? Wisconsin turns out to have been severely overrated and really has no good wins. The win against Wisconsin only looked good because Wisconsin was highly rated because of the carryover on the polls from last year. Marquette? Marquette has some good wins vs BYU, (early in the season), and Wisconsin, who isn't very good at this point in time, a loss to Illinois, who may be a decent team, but has 4 losses already and Illinois's best win is against Tennessee. NOBODY has played the schedule that Stanford has played. They've beat Texas, Nebraska, PSU, Florida. You could say that maybe PSU is not that good a team after getting swept by Pitt. But PSU is a young team that is going to have games like that this year. And you could say that PSU played Stanford better than Nebraska did. You could make a case that Stanford lost to Minnesota because of the difficult match that they played against PSU the night before. And bluepenquin from VolleyTalk would say that the loss against BYU would show that Stanford and BYU are about the same level, and BYU has a worst loss than Stanford does. It sure appears that this is going to be one of those years where no team is going to be dominant. Since Stanford won last year, they also have that to overcome this year. Most people would say that winning a second championship in a row is much more difficult than the first one. Look at Nebraska in 2016. They were the consensus to win it all that year but just didn't have the "want to". I would personally put my money (if I bet ) on Stanford to win it all by the end of the year. Anyway, that's what makes the rankings interesting. Everybody has their own opinions and their own prejudices.
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Post by traveler on Sept 24, 2019 12:45:23 GMT -5
Couple other thoughts to go w/ jojo's line of thought:
There is no rubric for how votes are cast, what considerations must be taken into account. If there were, there'd probably be a unanimity of opinion and we could just have an algorithm rather than coaches.
On another note, I suggest that one reason Stan is on top in at least some minds is Plummer. Pure and simple. Losses notwithstanding.
Maybe that is why WI was so overestimated because last year it seemed Rettke and Duello were outsized threats. How they've come back to earth, I don't know. But they may be earning the team respect that their record so far lacks.
I am particularly fond of the polls at this point because how often do the wins of HI, CSU, and others from the non-power conferences get lost from view once conference play starts? This is the time of year we've seen some match-ups that we will not see the likes of for another 8 weeks.
IN THE END: here's what polls do...They amuse us after our weekend WVB hangover. Something to take the edge off, occupy us until Wednesday. And Friday. And Saturday...or Sunday. Beats picking up stale popcorn off the living room rug...
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