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Post by NittanyLions on Oct 5, 2019 19:51:54 GMT -5
Fitting ending to a not so pretty match. We take it 25-21. Sweep of Iowa Hope someone posts a video. Can't tell team was "not so pretty" when PSU hit .422.
Maybe cause the other team played "even less pretty"?
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Post by yogi on Oct 5, 2019 19:55:29 GMT -5
Fitting ending to a not so pretty match. We take it 25-21. Sweep of Iowa Hope someone posts a video. Can't tell team was "not so pretty" when PSU hit .422. Iowa had 16 more hitting errors than us and yet the total point differential for the match was 14. The part that was not pretty was our defensive effort. Iowa is not a good team and their lack of blocking assisted our higher hitting percentage. Had they made a few less hitting errors and had a few more blocks, I think many on this board would have had some more concerning moments. This type of effort will not translate well against the better teams.
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Post by NittanyLions on Oct 5, 2019 20:27:53 GMT -5
So, I'm watching the Wisconsin-Nebraska match and noticed that coach Cook took a timeout in set 2 after Wisconsin goes on a 4-0 scoring run to make it 18-16 Wisky. Then in set 3, coach Sheffield takes a timeout at 8-5 after the Huskers go on a 3-0 run.
I think coach Rose leaves our girls struggle, without calling a timeout, in tough matches, so that he can work them harder during practices.
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Post by nyline on Oct 5, 2019 22:33:53 GMT -5
So, I'm watching the Wisconsin-Nebraska match and noticed that coach Cook took a timeout in set 2 after Wisconsin goes on a 4-0 scoring run to make it 18-16 Wisky. Then in set 3, coach Sheffield takes a timeout at 8-5 after the Huskers go on a 3-0 run. I think coach Rose leaves our girls struggle, without calling a timeout, in tough matches, so that he can work them harder during practices. I don't think it has anything to do with wanting to work them harder in practices, and I don't mean to be snarky here. But how many National Championships does coach Sheffield have? How many National Championships does John Cook have? How many National Championships does Coach Rose have? Coach Rose isn't simply forgetting to call time out. He isn't oblivious to the alternatives. He simply makes the judgment that it's better for the team to let them work things out, and he values time outs more for the end of sets (you only get two per set). Obviously Sheffield and Cook took a different course in the match you watched. I'll stop responding to this line of argument now, but I'll say this: if I have my druthers, I'll take Coach Rose over either of those two coaches every single day, on any number of grounds.
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Post by NittanyLions on Oct 6, 2019 3:37:36 GMT -5
So, I'm watching the Wisconsin-Nebraska match and noticed that coach Cook took a timeout in set 2 after Wisconsin goes on a 4-0 scoring run to make it 18-16 Wisky. Then in set 3, coach Sheffield takes a timeout at 8-5 after the Huskers go on a 3-0 run. I think coach Rose leaves our girls struggle, without calling a timeout, in tough matches, so that he can work them harder during practices. I don't think it has anything to do with wanting to work them harder in practices, and I don't mean to be snarky here. But how many National Championships does coach Sheffield have? How many National Championships does John Cook have? How many National Championships does Coach Rose have? Coach Rose isn't simply forgetting to call time out. He isn't oblivious to the alternatives. He simply makes the judgment that it's better for the team to let them work things out, and he values time outs more for the end of sets (you only get two per set). Obviously Sheffield and Cook took a different course in the match you watched. I'll stop responding to this line of argument now, but I'll say this: if I have my druthers, I'll take Coach Rose over either of those two coaches every single day, on any number of grounds.
I appreciate everything coach Rose has done, is doing, and will do for this program; no doubt.
Taking early timeouts is a tactic used by many other college coaches, pro club coaches, and national team coaches. I realize Russ has a method to what he's doing. I'm simply trying to attribute some logic to it.
In the past 5 years, Wisconsin has been consistently beating Nebraska and Nebraska has been consistently beating PSU.
I'm genuinely curious to know if coach Rose ever taken an early timeout in previous years? I have a vague recollection.
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Post by nyline on Oct 6, 2019 6:34:10 GMT -5
I don't think it has anything to do with wanting to work them harder in practices, and I don't mean to be snarky here. But how many National Championships does coach Sheffield have? How many National Championships does John Cook have? How many National Championships does Coach Rose have? Coach Rose isn't simply forgetting to call time out. He isn't oblivious to the alternatives. He simply makes the judgment that it's better for the team to let them work things out, and he values time outs more for the end of sets (you only get two per set). Obviously Sheffield and Cook took a different course in the match you watched. I'll stop responding to this line of argument now, but I'll say this: if I have my druthers, I'll take Coach Rose over either of those two coaches every single day, on any number of grounds.
I appreciate everything coach Rose has done, is doing, and will do for this program; no doubt.
Taking early timeouts is a tactic used by many other college coaches, pro club coaches, and national team coaches. I realize Russ has a method to what he's doing. I'm simply trying to attribute some logic to it.
In the past 5 years, Wisconsin has been consistently beating Nebraska and Nebraska has been consistently beating PSU.
I'm genuinely curious to know if coach Rose ever taken an early timeout in previous years? I have a vague recollection.
I don't think we should try to analyze these decisions in such a hi-res fashion. He is always teaching, and I think that means that how the team has responded in practices is every bit as important to him as what is going on in a given match at a given time. I mentioned the National Championship comparison because I think it is highly relevant in this context. For example, in 2007, Nebraska returned a boatload of talent from its 2006 National Championship team. They were the odds-on favorite to win in 2007. They didn't. Why was that? I think that they didn't because they weren't as well-coached as Penn State, not built as well for the pressure-cooker that is the NCAA tournament. I think Coach Rose is better than John Cook at teaching his players how to win in tough situations. You might disagree with my conclusion. But trying to dissect whether Coach Rose ever took an early timeout is, in my opinion, a fools errand (and I am not, I repeat not, calling you a fool). We can't possibly know all the factors that went into each decision. And now, those decisions are complicated even more by whether or not to challenge calls -- with challenges, in reality (though not in the letter and spirit of the rule) serving as extra timeouts.
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Post by traveler on Oct 6, 2019 10:22:47 GMT -5
Go to the post-match quotes: he wants the players to be able to figure some of this stuff out...esp IMHO in a match where all the stats are in our favor.
It's also very situational. If Dennis sees the opposition do something entirely different after a TO, I believe I've seen us take a TO to regroup/clarify.
I've seen Coach flash the green card, in a recent match, as well likely in place of a TO. I've seen him call TO or flash the green when the opposition has a hot server.
YMMV.
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Post by pennstate1973 on Oct 6, 2019 14:41:01 GMT -5
So, I'm watching the Wisconsin-Nebraska match and noticed that coach Cook took a timeout in set 2 after Wisconsin goes on a 4-0 scoring run to make it 18-16 Wisky. Then in set 3, coach Sheffield takes a timeout at 8-5 after the Huskers go on a 3-0 run. I think coach Rose leaves our girls struggle, without calling a timeout, in tough matches, so that he can work them harder during practices. I'll take Coach Rose over either of those two coaches every single day, on any number of grounds. Of course, every Nebraska fan would take coach Cook over Rose every single day. If at some point in time Cook gets more NCs than Rose, would you use that as a reason to argue Cook is a better coach than Rose?
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Post by nyline on Oct 6, 2019 18:18:58 GMT -5
I'll take Coach Rose over either of those two coaches every single day, on any number of grounds. Of course, every Nebraska fan would take coach Cook over Rose every single day. If at some point in time Cook gets more NCs than Rose, would you use that as a reason to argue Cook is a better coach than Rose? No, he has had far greater resources than Coach Rose, and has not taken advantage of that. Plus, I said "on any number of grounds." So NCs are just one of them. And no, I don't want to go into the other grounds (or debate the amount of resources that have been available to Cook). We may disagree on all counts. And yes, every Nebraska fan (or at least most Nebraska fans) would disagree with me. Having said all that, the number of NCs for Cook wouldn't change my mind.
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