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Post by snj on Nov 14, 2015 23:52:51 GMT -5
I did not say this loss was about the 2014 class. It was a total team failure as we saw. Outplayed in all phases of the game by a team with somewhat less individual talent player by player when comparing the rosters, but much better on-court cohesion and synergy and thus effectiveness. I made a separate observation about the 2014 class. They are clearly a very good class but they were touted as we now as possibly the best class ever. We may know if that is so after the 2017 season.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2015 0:30:42 GMT -5
I did not say this loss was about the 2014 class. It was a total team failure as we saw. Outplayed in all phases of the game by a team with somewhat less individual talent player by player when comparing the rosters, but much better on-court cohesion and synergy and thus effectiveness. I made a separate observation about the 2014 class. They are clearly a very good class but they were touted as we now as possibly the best class ever. We may know if that is so after the 2017 season. As embarrassing as the loss was, the scores weren't really outrageous. It's kind of amazing that the team seemed to play so poorly, but stay relatively close. Maybe all is not lost?
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Post by tillie1014 on Nov 15, 2015 5:06:00 GMT -5
Lurking in the back of my mind is the statement made by a previous All wining coach: " You are never so bad as you think when you lose and never so good as you think when you win" Washington and Whitney had a bad night that may or may not have been from passing but at this level it might be expected that hitters should be able to make some adjustments when they repeat errors. Learning comes in small batches and this was an opportunity for learning. Bad night ? Yes. Lost cause? Not unless the only thing you want is another NC
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Post by sasha21 on Nov 15, 2015 5:34:58 GMT -5
After watching tonight's game, Penn state looked like they didnt have backrow players. ?
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Post by nyline on Nov 15, 2015 7:38:37 GMT -5
After watching tonight's game, Penn state looked like they didnt have backrow players. ? First, welcome to the forum! Certainly, there have been issues with the backrow: coach Rose wouldn't be switching up the lineup and substitutions the way he has if there weren't some concerns. I think it's a bit broader than that -- team communication. One thing that stands out, as your post somewhat suggests, Dom and Lacey were really good.
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Post by cross5 on Nov 15, 2015 7:42:13 GMT -5
After watching tonight's game, Penn state looked like they didnt have backrow players. ? As in passing or digging ? PSU served rather easy had numerous serving errors and the block was porous. This was the bigger problem as the match wore on. Removing Holcomb settled things down but yes that was a problem for the first two sets or at least didn't help. Minnesota had free swings way too often and I don't care who you have back there to dig a ball. I think we out dug them actually.
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Post by sasha21 on Nov 15, 2015 7:45:34 GMT -5
Thank you! I just had to post something. But i feel bad for some of the players especially the setter. People are really blaming her for the loss. Is she really PSU's weakest link? I just hope it doesnt destroy her confidence!
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Post by cross5 on Nov 15, 2015 8:09:54 GMT -5
Thank you! I just had to post something. But i feel bad for some of the players especially the setter. People are really blaming her for the loss. Is she really PSU's weakest link? I just hope it doesnt destroy her confidence! No way....Bryanna is a tough cookie. She wasn't at her best but nobody was. I would lay money on the fact that most all of them, setter included, have moved on to thoughts about Michigan. These kids are looking forward to get in the gym tomorrow and work on their execution.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2015 8:22:27 GMT -5
Thank you! I just had to post something. But i feel bad for some of the players especially the setter. People are really blaming her for the loss. Is she really PSU's weakest link? I just hope it doesnt destroy her confidence! Bryanna is a baller; she's competitive. She brings a lot of good things to this team. She just needs more time and experience. I expect her to be better next year and the year after that. Also, the setter is only as good as balls being passed to her. Perhaps she didn't have the greatest of performances, but it seemed like there were several players who contributed to this loss. I think this team will be back stronger next weekend.
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Post by phillytom on Nov 15, 2015 8:55:27 GMT -5
Let's give the opposition credit. Minnesota is a VERY talented team with top recruits at every position. Wilhite for example was a huge recruit and last night she was the kind of force she was expected to be two years ago when she came into the Big Ten. Seliger-Swenson is a huge talent and she (plus of course excellent coaches) makes them a legit Final Four team.
Penn State is a good team but not great, and Minnesota made them look like a mediocre volleyball team.
PSU would have been competitive with better play at libero. Freshman sometimes wilt at this time of year. The physical pounding and the pressure takes a toll and performance drops off. Holcomb just got overwhelmed; she can certainly play better than that.
I don't think you can really judge the setting because Weiskircher was having to run all over the court chasing passes. But fatigue may be playing a role there too. this is the time of the year when everybody is tired but especially first year players.
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Post by cross5 on Nov 15, 2015 9:25:34 GMT -5
Let's give the opposition credit. Minnesota is a VERY talented team with top recruits at every position. Wilhite for example was a huge recruit and last night she was the kind of force she was expected to be two years ago when she came into the Big Ten. Seliger-Swenson is a huge talent and she (plus of course excellent coaches) makes them a legit Final Four team. Penn State is a good team but not great, and Minnesota made them look like a mediocre volleyball team. PSU would have been competitive with better play at libero. Freshman sometimes wilt at this time of year. The physical pounding and the pressure takes a toll and performance drops off. Holcomb just got overwhelmed; she can certainly play better than that. I don't think you can really judge the setting because Weiskircher was having to run all over the court chasing passes. But fatigue may be playing a role there too. this is the time of the year when everybody is tired but especially first year players. How many times have we ever seen a team serve at any level 74 times without an error and get 7 aces......let alone against a PSU team. I mean .....come on!!!! The announcers kept talking about PSU's need for some model of consistency to match Minnesota and we didn't see that until the 3rd set. Too late. McCutcheon said this was his teams most consistent match and most balanced attacking match of the year. All that being said, PSU was within striking distance, certainly deep into in game 3 . Next time we see them , if at all, it will be a on a neutral court and I expect PSU will play better and they will not be able to or at least have a hard time repeating their individual and team performances.
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Post by sasha21 on Nov 15, 2015 9:27:43 GMT -5
Looking at the stat sheet. Errors and aces killed PSU last night. I meAn 7 aces! What happened to the receiver?
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Post by nyline on Nov 15, 2015 10:30:31 GMT -5
Looking at the stat sheet. Errors and aces killed PSU last night. I meAn 7 aces! What happened to the receiver? Minnesota may have had its best serving night of the season. In the first set, those serves looked wicked.
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Post by bob2061 on Nov 15, 2015 20:39:54 GMT -5
here's what i don't understand. if rose really means that the players aren't listening to him ...... then why are they playing? why isn't he benching the ones who are not listening, regardless of losses it may cause? i find it hard to believe a coach of his stature would put up with "players not listening". Probably because he always wants to put the best players on the court even if they don't play as smart as they should. We definitely do not have an adequate backup setter period.
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Post by nyline on Nov 16, 2015 5:40:56 GMT -5
here's what i don't understand. if rose really means that the players aren't listening to him ...... then why are they playing? why isn't he benching the ones who are not listening, regardless of losses it may cause? i find it hard to believe a coach of his stature would put up with "players not listening". Probably because he always wants to put the best players on the court even if they don't play as smart as they should. We definitely do not have an adequate backup setter period. It wasn't a Weiskircher problem. And I don't think Coach Rose meant the players aren't listening to him, he meant it's not translating into change on the court, Big difference.
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