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Post by treblejig on Oct 28, 2018 7:57:51 GMT -5
Also, only Hord showed up tonite. As some said, it appeared that whatever happened to Parker (ankle maybe?) seemed to affect her play. On the other hand, she wasn't getting set nearly as much as Reed and Leath. Serena had an off night. So it's going to be tough to win with only 1 of the 3 freshmen hitters playing well. I missed most of the match. Did Tori play? |
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Post by pennstate1973 on Oct 28, 2018 8:08:10 GMT -5
That "kill" by Kendall White, where Purdue basically watched the ball drop, epitomizes (for me) the difference between Penn State and Purdue. Would you elaborate on the difference?
A veteran like you knows you can't make a sweeping generalization about one play. Mistakes happen by all teams.
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Post by pennstate1973 on Oct 28, 2018 8:11:25 GMT -5
Our side clearly snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. Purdue was a stronger in system team because of their superior pin hitters. It was a great comeback by the Boilermakers. If our side had come back like that in a match, we would be dancing in the streets! On another topic, the review system simply does not have the equipment to be effective. There were challenges on both sides that would have been upheld with the right equipment. When you need the call to be obviously wrong in order to override the ruling a finger touch or a ball just catching a line will never be seen with the current set up. Tonight both coaches used all of their challenges on legitimate close calls and none were upheld. I'm sure that the down official thought that a couple of the calls were probably wrong, but he had to know that they were wrong to overrule. The difference that top level equipment makes can be seen by watching any match from the world championships. A final note - our side's service effectiveness continues decline from set 1 to set 2 to set 3. I agree about the review equipment. Even with slow motion and pause on the technology in use at college matches it is difficult to be sure whether or not a finger on a block touched the ball. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2018 8:13:56 GMT -5
That "kill" by Kendall White, where Purdue basically watched the ball drop, epitomizes (for me) the difference between Penn State and Purdue. Would you elaborate on the difference?
A veteran like you knows you can't make a sweeping generalization about one play. Mistakes happen by all teams.
Just as veterans like you are aware that a split-second observation during the middle of a match doesn't always hold up to after-the-match scrutiny. |
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Post by Millennium on Oct 28, 2018 8:36:11 GMT -5
PSU 2014 let it happen at home against Illinois. This is an excellent point. Many of you should go back to Volleytalk "archives" in 2014 and look at what was said during and after the loss to Illinois. As you remember, the 2014 team had some noteworthy accomplishments, but it did have an off night against Illinois. I don't think this year's team quite matches what PSU had in 2014, but they're probably better than they performed last night. Given all the challenges they face, periodic failures can never be unexpected. We'll have to see how resilient they are. I'm sure the team they meet in the Devaney will be happy to challenge them.
Both Nebraska and PSU will be looking for a win, since they'll both be coming off losses. The good news is that Nebraska isn't doing too hot lately, losing 5 of the past 7 matches.
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Post by Millennium on Oct 28, 2018 8:38:30 GMT -5
Also, only Hord showed up tonite. As some said, it appeared that whatever happened to Parker (ankle maybe?) seemed to affect her play. On the other hand, she wasn't getting set nearly as much as Reed and Leath. Serena had an off night. So it's going to be tough to win with only 1 of the 3 freshmen hitters playing well. I missed most of the match. Did Tori play?
You're one of the lucky ones. I still feel sick from that loss. No joke.
Yes, she did. She entered in the later sets, but it didn't help much.
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Post by Millennium on Oct 28, 2018 8:45:52 GMT -5
That "kill" by Kendall White, where Purdue basically watched the ball drop, epitomizes (for me) the difference between Penn State and Purdue. Would you elaborate on the difference?
A veteran like you knows you can't make a sweeping generalization about one play. Mistakes happen by all teams.
Up until about the halfway point in the 3rd set Purdue didn't look good. They lacked organization, motivation, etc. I think that's what Nyline was referring too. In fact, I was about to write "this match is over" when PSU went ahead 20-13.
However, after running off 6 straight points and going on an 8-1 run to tie the game, their team dynamic went into overdrive.
They changed liberos and started setting Atkinson more.
PSU started playing slower and more sloppy and with Atkinson in "Wonder Woman" mode, it was clear that PSU wasn't going to win.
I think Nyline took back that initial comment by the 4th or 5th set.
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Post by nyline on Oct 28, 2018 8:45:58 GMT -5
That "kill" by Kendall White, where Purdue basically watched the ball drop, epitomizes (for me) the difference between Penn State and Purdue. Would you elaborate on the difference?
A veteran like you knows you can't make a sweeping generalization about one play. Mistakes happen by all teams.
A momentary lapse in judgement, which I retracted later in the thread. |
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Post by tillie on Oct 28, 2018 9:49:06 GMT -5
I have been a close observer of Women's Volleyball here since 1990 and attended many post match gatherings.
I never heard Russ so negative as he is presented here on this forum.
My history has taught me to listen to him and seek out his wisdom.
BUT, I suggest that the courage and what ever is in the gut of athletes as they compete that a 18/20 loss in the fifth demonstrates to me some determination not found on every vb court in the USA.
It is so easy to say" YOU" or "THEY" should have from the quiet location of our computers.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2018 10:17:17 GMT -5
I have been a close observer of Women's Volleyball here since 1990 and attended many post match gatherings. I never heard Russ so negative as he is presented here on this forum. My history has taught me to listen to him and seek out his wisdom. BUT, I suggest that the courage and what ever is in the gut of athletes as they compete that a 18/20 loss in the fifth demonstrates to me some determination not found on every vb court in the USA. It is so easy to say" YOU" or "THEY" should have from the quiet location of our computers. I respect the breadth of your knowledge of both volleyball and the PSU program. Just as it's easy for newcomers like me to (irresponsibly?) opine at speeds limited only by our keyboarding skills, it's easy for those with more experience to discount the motives or understanding of the newcomers. The way we exchange information and numbers of those who want to exchange information has changed markedly since 1990. Many of us would love to have attended, or attend, the post match gatherings you speak of. Many of us realize that we never will. Our "discussions" during a match are as close as we can get to what might occur if we sat in the same section of Rec Hall. And, because they are created in fleeting instants, shortly after we observe something, they don't always stand up to a sober after match appraisal. Just some thoughts. |
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Post by bob2061 on Oct 28, 2018 15:12:04 GMT -5
I only wonder if the outcome would have been any different if Gabby Blossum had been the setter and of course we will never know. God help us if we can't even beat Purdue on our home court.
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Post by jojonito on Oct 28, 2018 16:05:41 GMT -5
This is the kind of loss that is going to happen to a young team. I had hoped they were past a loss like this. Yes, it was a very disappointing loss, but they will figure it out over time. They will learn that you can't let someone off the hook; that you have to be ruthless in 'putting a team out of it's misery'. Not the end of the world/season. Part of getting past losses like this will the freshmen learning to be more consistent and being able to 'show up' in the majority of the matches.
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Post by tillie on Oct 28, 2018 19:15:23 GMT -5
gnu2vball
Understood and thanks
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Post by tillie on Oct 29, 2018 5:52:37 GMT -5
BOB2061
Share with me the qualities you see in Miss Blossom that Bryanna lacks or what you think she can do that Bryanna cannot do.
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Post by bob2061 on Oct 29, 2018 7:54:18 GMT -5
BOB2061 Share with me the qualities you see in Miss Blossom that Bryanna lacks or what you think she can do that Bryanna cannot do. I just think Gabby will continue to improve while Bryanna may have been at her ceiling for quite a while. OTOH what qualities do you see in Bryanna that Gabby lacks that playing will not improve Gabby? |
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