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Post by nyline on Nov 1, 2018 13:02:30 GMT -5
We fans focus on statistics seeking to derive a better picture of how our team is performing, and why (I'm right in there, btw). But as Charlie O'Connor of The Athletic wrote in an article today about the Philadelphia Flyers: "Hockey, like most sports, is driven by randomness above all, and then we slap a bunch of numbers on top of it and call it meaningful." Charlie writes about the hockey, but I think the idea applies to sports like volleyball as well. Thanks to Charlie O'Connor of The Athletic for linking to this cartoon: xkcd.com/904/ |
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Post by elliotberton on Nov 1, 2018 13:40:02 GMT -5
Not sure I ascribe to the randomness idea. I think that in many sports statistics can be used to measure and compare.
Mr. O'Connor's observation (a bit like Occam's hammock?) is a cute way to say statistics lie. But I enjoy statistics anyway.
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Post by stillkicking on Nov 1, 2018 16:22:34 GMT -5
There is only one statistic that is relevant, The final score of the game.
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Post by jojonito on Nov 1, 2018 17:05:59 GMT -5
I'm a hockey fan and I've always described it as being very random. The best team usually wins but for certain sure it isn't a given. I think I would disagree with Nyline a bit as to the randomness of volleyball. OTOH, considering how PSU lost to Nebraska in the semi-finals last year, not sure I have a case  |
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Post by nyline on Nov 1, 2018 18:14:45 GMT -5
I'm a hockey fan and I've always described it as being very random. The best team usually wins but for certain sure it isn't a given. I think I would disagree with Nyline a bit as to the randomness of volleyball. OTOH, considering how PSU lost to Nebraska in the semi-finals last year, not sure I have a case That's a great example, though to be honest, I'm not a zealous advocate for "Volleyball is Random." Mostly, I just liked the cartoon. |
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Post by jojonito on Nov 1, 2018 19:39:38 GMT -5
I'm a hockey fan and I've always described it as being very random. The best team usually wins but for certain sure it isn't a given. I think I would disagree with Nyline a bit as to the randomness of volleyball. OTOH, considering how PSU lost to Nebraska in the semi-finals last year, not sure I have a case That's a great example, though to be honest, I'm not a zealous advocate for "Volleyball is Random." Mostly, I just liked the cartoon. Fair enough |
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Post by bob2061 on Nov 1, 2018 22:54:32 GMT -5
You are probably right but we may never know for sure. One thing we do know is that Purdue got stronger as our match past the first two sets and we could not rise to the challenge even with the crowd support. I wouldn't blame a loss on an injury, but I didn't think Jonni Parker was quite as effective after she dinged her ankle. Maybe we should but I believe Coach would have replaced her if it was a serious injury. Do you think she should have sat out to keep from making the injury worse? |
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Post by bob2061 on Nov 1, 2018 23:07:45 GMT -5
benjohnson Your aware that hitting strategies are originated by Russ and perhaps input from the other coaches and then delivered by Dennis if it is needed during the match. The setter may have some differences based on the location of the first pass receipt. I suspect that Bryanna may have greater freedom given her many years of experience. Normally the team receives detailed information on every player/opponent and their tendencies on where they hit and ;of course Russ And CO. know what our hitters tend to do. Little is left to chance. Agreed. It's not as if Russ is thinking..."hmm, Bryanna doesn't set enough to the middle. Maybe I should play Gabby instead." OTOH Russ spends a lot of time talking to the setter during the time outs. I tend to believe he is not happy with the setting. |
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Post by tillie on Nov 2, 2018 3:45:54 GMT -5
bob2061
You need to look back at Russ's interactions with previous setters and see that his time spent with them including the Magical Micha were just as extensive (perhaps even more extensive at times). She is the leader since she decides who will attack and he needs to reinforce when necessary and there is no indication that the conversation is negative toward a specific setter.
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Post by bob2061 on Nov 2, 2018 7:41:41 GMT -5
bob2061 You need to look back at Russ's interactions with previous setters and see that his time spent with them including the Magical Micha were just as extensive (perhaps even more extensive at times). She is the leader since she decides who will attack and he needs to reinforce when necessary and there is no indication that the conversation is negative toward a specific setter. Russ is a perfectionist and probably will always have advice for the setter. I'm sure the advice being dealt out is of a constructive nature. However, if we feel the setting is satisfactory and the back row performance is satisfactory; what can Russ even do to get the team better so we can rise above the Purdue, Iowa, and Wisconsin tier in the conference? I guess I am just spoiled by the huge success our team has had in past years. Sigh. |
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Post by cross5 on Nov 2, 2018 7:56:37 GMT -5
bob2061 You need to look back at Russ's interactions with previous setters and see that his time spent with them including the Magical Micha were just as extensive (perhaps even more extensive at times). She is the leader since she decides who will attack and he needs to reinforce when necessary and there is no indication that the conversation is negative toward a specific setter. Russ is a perfectionist and probably will always have advice for the setter. I'm sure the advice being dealt out is of a constructive nature. However, if we feel the setting is satisfactory and the back row performance is satisfactory; what can Russ even do to get the team better so we can rise above the Purdue, Iowa, and Wisconsin tier in the conference? I guess I am just spoiled by the huge success our team has had in past years. Sigh. Hhmm, let's think. For 3 years we had a All American/National Team setter who happened to be the Associate Coach.....NOT named Russ Rose, who talked extensively and often exclusively to the setter. Perhaps someone's memory is clouded here. Many times the setters were apart from Russ and crew in time outs. With this team being so young and new at the hitter positions perhaps Russ feels he needs to take on that role that someone else used to fill and talk to B about decisions and flow. Perhaps? |
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Post by nyline on Nov 2, 2018 8:21:02 GMT -5
I wouldn't blame a loss on an injury, but I didn't think Jonni Parker was quite as effective after she dinged her ankle. Maybe we should but I believe Coach would have replaced her if it was a serious injury. Do you think she should have sat out to keep from making the injury worse?I don't think that -- but that's a question for the trainers and coaching staff. Way above my pay grade. |
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Post by jojonito on Nov 2, 2018 10:59:49 GMT -5
We've seen various players be out for a while. Just recently, Hord was out for a couple of matches. Coach cares a lot about his players. An example of that is how much he stays in contact with prior players. I don't think he would take a short view of an injury and compromise a players future for a short term gain. I would think that he had the trainers okay Jonni's playing on the ankle. I saw them taping (retaping) her ankle. I would place money that the trainers had said that playing on the ankle wouldn't make the ankle worse. Also, Coach said that Jonni WANTED to come back in. Just my opinion.
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Post by jojonito on Nov 2, 2018 11:11:44 GMT -5
Talking Head made a good point about the Purdue game. There wasn't one person to blame for the Purdue loss. "It was a team effort." Coach mentioned that he was most upset with the upperclassmen, not the freshman. They were the ones that he expected to help right the ship.
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Post by elliotberton on Nov 2, 2018 16:49:50 GMT -5
I'm a hockey fan and I've always described it as being very random. The best team usually wins but for certain sure it isn't a given. I think I would disagree with Nyline a bit as to the randomness of volleyball. OTOH, considering how PSU lost to Nebraska in the semi-finals last year, not sure I have a case Well the hockey officiating is very random. Notwithstanding, at the highest levels, hockey is a beautiful sport to watch. |
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