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Post by nyline on Sept 2, 2022 8:08:54 GMT -5
Here's a thread to discuss various polls ratings -- AVCA Weekly Polls, Massey Ratings, Rich Kern Poll, Pablo Ratings, RPI, and any other polls/ratings people think should be part of the discussion. (It almost goes without saying that Penn State, whereever and whenever it is ranked, is ranked too low, but go ahead and say it  )Note: The Menu Bar for the DigNittanyVolleyball.com website - dignittanyvolleyball.com/ - includes the links: AVCA Polls -- www.avca.org/polls/di-women/index.html Massey Ratings: masseyratings.com/cvol/ncaa-d1/ratings
Rich Kern Poll Comparisons: dignittanyvolleyball.com/rich-kern-poll-comparisons/A quick note about MasseyRatings. I think the overall view of Massey Ratings is that it isn't particularly predictive -- certainly not at the beginning of the season. What I find interesting about it is the predicted wins/losses for the remainder of the season -- again, not necessarily very predictive, but interesting (to me) nonetheless. RPI: www.ncaa.com/rankings/volleyball-women/d1/ncaa-womens-volleyball-rpi
A quick note on RPI -- the NCAA hasn't updated it from 2021, but I assume they will sometime. Hopefully before 2023 
Rich Kern is a pay site ($$$) but it has a free page with a table comparing the Rich Kern Poll, Pablo Rankings, RKPI Rankings, and AVCA Poll. It's very nifty -- you have to select the "view" you want. Here's the link: www.richkern.com/vb/rankings/FreePageRankings.asp
Feel free to add any additional polls or ratings, or specific weekly polls or ratings as they are published. And your comments, of course.
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Post by pennstate1973 on Sept 5, 2022 13:08:37 GMT -5
Thanks for posting this. Today's Massey rating has Ohio State (1-3) ranked #27, but their Strength of Schedule for games played thus far is #1 and their Strength of Schedule for the entire season is extrapolated to be #1.
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Post by traveler on Sept 5, 2022 13:55:56 GMT -5
AVCA Poll 9/5
PSU Inches up
PL Team 1sts PTS W - L last rank
1 Texas (58) 1594 4-0 1
2 Nebraska(6) 1538 5-0 2
3 Minnesota 1422 3-1 4
4 Louisville 1345 5-1 3
5 Georgia Tech 1317 5-0 5
6 Wisconsin 1285 3-1 6
7 Pittsburgh 1149 5-1 10
8 Ohio State 1043 1-3 8
9 Purdue 979 6-0 11
10 BYU 965 5-1 7
11 Stanford 957 3-1 12
12 San Diego 942 4-1 15
13 Washington 790 3-1 14
14 Kentucky 752 4-1 16
15 Baylor 691 3-2 9
16 Florida 638 3-2 13
17 Creighton 543 5-1 17
18 Oregon 527 4-0 18
19 Kansas 466 6-0 20
20 Penn State 401 6-0 21
21 W Kentucky 292 6-1 22
22 UCLA 242 4-1 23
23 Marquette 234 3-1 24
24 Pepperdine 169 5-1 NR
25 Illinois 86 1-3 19
RV: Miami (FL) 68; Mississippi State 67; Southern California 63; Arkansas 57; Utah 50; Michigan 41; Rice 27; Colorado 17; Washington State 17; UCF 6; Utah State 4
Dropped Out: Southern California 25
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Post by ethankasales on Sept 5, 2022 17:12:06 GMT -5
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Post by EnglishPennStateFan on Sept 9, 2022 17:06:35 GMT -5
Delighted to be able to watch all of Penn State's matches this season thanks to Volleyball World TV winning the rights to broadcast the Big10 conference here in England. 11pm here and broadcast just started. Picture quality is superb! Tough match to come. Already seen Stanford play last week and they looked very good. Big test for the Lions. Although not at Rec Hall, tonight's match brings back great memories of my 2019 visit to watch the Big10/PAC12 Challenge (same teams) at Rec Hall. That first set against Stanford - 29-27 to PSU if I recall. Ended up losing 3-1 but a great match and amazing atmosphere. Well here we go....1st point to us!!
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Post by traveler on Sept 10, 2022 9:58:01 GMT -5
How does the ranking points system work. If we win this 3-0, how many points does that get us? Or is it more complicated than that? I didn't see a reply to you, so I figured I would take a stab at it. There is no objective point system per se except for the subjective opinion of the voters in the ranking polls. So, a 3-2 win should be just as good as a 3-0 win, but voters can choose their own criteria when ranking teams. Some voters could place more importance on "style points" than other voters and rank accordingly, but there is no science or system to it. I think this win is going to give Coach KSC some additional "street cred" when she sits down to talk with recruits. Hopefully, it is just the first of many big wins for this team and this coach. I am excited! The AVCA selects a panel of coaches each year to do the rankings. Each Monday, 64 coaches fill out a slate of their highest 25 teams, ranking them from 1 - 25. The AVCA then assigns a point value to the ordinals, with the highest number given to first place votes, the lowest for 25 place. What results is a listing of about 35 teams, the highest 25 of which are considered ranked. The voting coaches (all head coaches in D1 for the D1 polls) are presumably picked to allow a distribution across conferences and geography. The AVCA allows us to view each week's ballots, voting coach by voting coach. That's how we know that whims (and possibly grudges) play a part in the voting. Within the last 5 years, there were a few coaches who, for at least several weeks, did not cast votes for PSU at all. Inexplicable except to say that the voters are human. The availability of information about matches, video from matches, national stat leaders, word of mouth make voting potentially more accurate than 20 years ago. But reputation still plays a role and IMO was part of the reason PSU had arguably higher rankings than Coach Rose thought they deserved several times since our last NCAA Championship (how do we know? He was a voter until ~2019). RPI which IIRC was first used for football, was developed to take the human factor out...but of course humans designed it so biases are built in. The AVCA poll, OTOH, is more like crowd-sourcing. Not everybody is right, but everybody doesn't need to be right to get a good answer. I often post the vote breakout for the poll each week shortly after they're released on Mondays. |
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Post by nyline on Sept 10, 2022 10:13:27 GMT -5
I didn't see a reply to you, so I figured I would take a stab at it. There is no objective point system per se except for the subjective opinion of the voters in the ranking polls. So, a 3-2 win should be just as good as a 3-0 win, but voters can choose their own criteria when ranking teams. Some voters could place more importance on "style points" than other voters and rank accordingly, but there is no science or system to it. I think this win is going to give Coach KSC some additional "street cred" when she sits down to talk with recruits. Hopefully, it is just the first of many big wins for this team and this coach. I am excited! The AVCA selects a panel of coaches each year to do the rankings. Each Monday, 64 coaches fill out a slate of their highest 25 teams, ranking them from 1 - 25. The AVCA then assigns a point value to the ordinals, with the highest number given to first place votes, the lowest for 25 place. What results is a listing of about 35 teams, the highest 25 of which are considered ranked. The voting coaches (all head coaches in D1 for the D1 polls) are presumably picked to allow a distribution across conferences and geography. The AVCA allows us to view each week's ballots, voting coach by voting coach. That's how we know that whims (and possibly grudges) play a part in the voting. Within the last 5 years, there were a few coaches who, for at least several weeks, did not cast votes for PSU at all. Inexplicable except to say that the voters are human. The availability of information about matches, video from matches, national stat leaders, word of mouth make voting potentially more accurate than 20 years ago. But reputation still plays a role and IMO was part of the reason PSU had arguably higher rankings than Coach Rose thought they deserved several times since our last NCAA Championship (how do we know? He was a voter until ~2019). RPI which IIRC was first used for football, was developed to take the human factor out...but of course humans designed it so biases are built in. The AVCA poll, OTOH, is more like crowd-sourcing. Not everybody is right, but everybody doesn't need to be right to get a good answer. I often post the vote breakout for the poll each week shortly after they're released on Mondays.And we are counting on you to do so again this season (we'll be looking in this thread)! |
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Post by nyline on Sept 11, 2022 14:39:41 GMT -5
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Post by traveler on Sept 12, 2022 13:58:06 GMT -5
9/12/22 AVCA Poll
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Pl Team 1sts Pts W-L Last Rank
1 Texas (59) 1595 6-0 1
2 Nebraska (5) 1540 7-0 2
3 Louisville 1444 7-1 4
4 Wisconsin 1338 5-1 6
5 Ohio State 1293 3-3 8
6 Minnesota 1250 4-2 3
7 Georgia Tech 1210 6-1 5
8 San Diego 1152 7-1 12
9 Stanford 1043 4-2 11
10 Purdue 995 7-1 9
11 Penn State 947 8-0 20
12 Pittsburgh 787 7-2 7
13 Kentucky 772 5-2 14
14 Baylor 731 6-2 15
15 BYU 705 5-3 10
16 Florida 656 6-2 16
17 Creighton 629 7-2 17
18 Washington 536 5-2 13
19 Marquette 403 6-1 23
20 Oregon 361 4-2 18
21 W Kentucky 343 9-1 21
22 Pepperdine 261 7-2 24
23 Kansas 233 8-1 19
24 Arkansas 134 7-1 NR
25 Illinois 83 4-3 25
RV: Rice 73; *Towson 51; UCLA 44; Utah 40; Mississippi State 33; UCF 26; Miami (FL) 15; UNLV 15; Washington State 13; Colorado 10; Northwestern 9; Michigan 7; Southern California 7; Houston 6
*This has to be mentioned. 10-0. Beat Pitt 3-1 on Saturday; beat Rutgers; as well as American and BGSU--both seen frequently at the NCAAs.
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Post by ethankasales on Sept 12, 2022 14:04:13 GMT -5
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Post by jojonito on Sept 12, 2022 16:57:59 GMT -5
Well, I sure bombed that prediction. I had no idea that the poll would bring PSU up to 11. I personally think that's too high as it's so early in the season and it was just two matches. That's the problem with polls in the early season. The strength of a team is being judged by how good the poll thinks other teams are, which is often way off. Well, time will tell.
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Post by traveler on Sept 12, 2022 17:06:28 GMT -5
But...we're ranked by AVCA 6th in the B1G. So...
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Post by jojonito on Sept 12, 2022 17:16:03 GMT -5
Go figure. B1G has 6 teams in the top 11. Also, don't understand how Purdue loses to Louisville 0-3 and only drops 1 place. I think Purdue is gonna be a good team, but they haven't beat anybody that's any good yet. OTOH, it's early days, and things will start sorting themselves out when the conference play starts.
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Post by jojonito on Sept 12, 2022 17:22:25 GMT -5
But...we're ranked by AVCA 6th in the B1G. So... I'm actually starting to think that PSU has a change to be either 4th of 5th in the B1G. This PSU team is better than I thought they would be. And I think that they'll get better. It was nice to see Anastasiya playing in the match against Oregon. With her height, you would think that she could do better. I wonder if she's done much weight training. Oh well. |
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Post by jojonito on Sept 12, 2022 17:59:25 GMT -5
Speaking of not playing anybody. Nebraska has only played Creighton (#17) and beat them 3-2. Not exactly impressive. Granted they've beat everyboy else 3-0, but then again they should. NEB does play Stanford on Tuesday, so that will be interesting. The Nicklin Hames experiment continues to evolve. From not setting, Hames is now a setter in a 6-2 offense. I'm wondering when that will change to a 5-1 with Hames the sole setter. Hames playing DS sounded good, but what are the odds that the other setters will be 90% of what she can do. Not sure how much you can read into it, but in the match against Creighton, Hames hat 38 assists & Evans 25. Also, Hord hit .063. Yup .063 - 4-3-16. Not sure whether that shd be attributed to bad passing, bad setting or both, as didn't see the match. Doing a 6-2 can't help the hitting averages as having 2 setters is definitely more of a challenge for the hitters.
Edit: Looked a little further in the stats and found that; NEB had only 9 blocks in the match and of those, Hord was involved in 6 of them. Also, NEB only had 3 aces for the match which may mean that Creighton had really good serve receive or else that NEB's serves weren't that tough. I think that they definitely miss Keonilei Akana, now at Texas-like Texas needs help, who was NEB best server last year (at least most aces). Tho, much as I hate to say it, John Cook is a good coach and no matter how they look now, most likely NEB will be in the top 4 or 5 at the end of the year.
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