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Post by bob2061 on Dec 15, 2015 11:09:37 GMT -5
We certainly could use another terminator. Maybe that person will emerge from the returning players. Maybe as a transfer. I'm unwilling at this point to entertain the notion that one will not emerge one way or the other. Call me Mr. Irrational ebulliance. I feel confident that one of the bench players will step up to the plate and start full time next season. I wouldn't put my money on any transfers coming in, but you never know. That's exactly how I felt this year so I completely understand what you are saying. It didn't work out so good for me though.
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Post by phillytom on Dec 15, 2015 15:46:14 GMT -5
For 2016 Penn State has one recruit, Kendall White, PVB #38 in PrepVolleyball top 300. Meanwhile Florida has six recruits (5 in the top 50) as follows: Darrelle King MB PVB# 8 6-3 Rachel Kramer MB 28 6-8 Morgan Greer OH 33 6-3 Mia Sokolowski OH 39 6-3 Cheyenne Huskey S 46 6-2 Allie Gregory L 101-250 Seriously, it makes you wonder if we even sent anyone out recruiting? Perhaps we were waiting for them to come to our summer camps? PSU also has 5 recruits for 2016. What I don't understand fully is how it's dominated by L/S/DS position players. We simply have too many of them and not enough pin hitters, imo. Have to keep in mind that lists of recruits can be misleading because you don't know who is getting a scholarship or partial. At PSU (and a lot of other programs) most of the DSs are not on scholarship, though they may be competing for one. PSU had a very large (and excellent) class in 2014, but that didn't leave a large number of scholarships for 2015 and 16.
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Post by bob2061 on Dec 15, 2015 18:18:07 GMT -5
Courtesy of Badgerbill on VT:Penn State has had a couple of big and talented classes (5 to 6 athletes in a class) which may hurt recruiting (2016 and 2017 for example). If you recruit a whole starting lineup of studs in one season playing time limitations may be a turn off for future recruits. After our big 2014 recruiting class we added 3 scholarship players in 2015. Unfortunately they were not for positions of immediate need.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2015 23:43:48 GMT -5
Courtesy of Badgerbill on VT:Penn State has had a couple of big and talented classes (5 to 6 athletes in a class) which may hurt recruiting (2016 and 2017 for example). If you recruit a whole starting lineup of studs in one season playing time limitations may be a turn off for future recruits. After our big 2014 recruiting class we added 3 scholarship players in 2015. Unfortunately they were not for positions of immediate need. Perhaps the mentality of loading up on the DS's is this -- you have to open a lot of oysters before you find the pearl.
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Post by bob2061 on Dec 16, 2015 0:00:31 GMT -5
After our big 2014 recruiting class we added 3 scholarship players in 2015. Unfortunately they were not for positions of immediate need. Perhaps the mentality of loading up on the DS's is this -- you have to open a lot of oysters before you find the pearl. What is strange is that our Womens Basketball Team takes the exact opposite approach with walk-ons. Go figure.
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Post by cross5 on Dec 16, 2015 7:59:03 GMT -5
Perhaps the mentality of loading up on the DS's is this -- you have to open a lot of oysters before you find the pearl. What is strange is that our Womens Basketball Team takes the exact opposite approach with walk-ons. Go figure. I have NO idea what you are talking about. Women's Basketball in DI gets 15 Full Scholarships. VB 12. That is alot and I doubt they care many walkons at all , especially since 5 play at a time, compared to 7/8 starters for volleyball. www.scholarshipstats.com/ncaalimits.html
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Post by bob2061 on Dec 16, 2015 10:45:16 GMT -5
I have NO idea what you are talking about. Women's Basketball in DI gets 15 Full Scholarships. VB 12. That is alot and I doubt they care many walkons at all , especially since 5 play at a time, compared to 7/8 starters for volleyball. www.scholarshipstats.com/ncaalimits.htmlWhat I was trying to say was if the school wanted to max out on Title IX athletes you would think they would be consistent in all the women sports. Can anyone offer a reasonable explanation for carrying so many DS players?
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Post by cross5 on Dec 16, 2015 11:44:52 GMT -5
I have NO idea what you are talking about. Women's Basketball in DI gets 15 Full Scholarships. VB 12. That is alot and I doubt they care many walkons at all , especially since 5 play at a time, compared to 7/8 starters for volleyball. www.scholarshipstats.com/ncaalimits.htmlWhat I was trying to say was if the school wanted to max out on Title IX athletes you would think they would be consistent in all the women sports. Can anyone offer a reasonable explanation for carrying so many DS players? AH! It is related to title IX - some of it for some programs is to help the overall Athletic program and balance - ie. the men's side /women's side . Not sure if this is the case with PSU. Maybe Russ just likes having lots of defensive bodies. www.athleticbusiness.com/college/roster-management-takes-pain-out-of-title-ix-compliance.html......... "We believe roster management doesn't hurt anybody here," says Cheryl Marra, who supervises all sports programs except football as the University of Wisconsin's associate athletic director and senior women's administrator. "Last year, we implemented roster management, and our men's teams were very successful. It's just a new way of looking at things." Because it deals with raw numbers, proportionality is the least subjective of three compliance avenues monitored by the Office for Civil Rights, which investigates Title IX complaints. The other two involve a school having to prove it has a history of creating new opportunities in athletics for women (by adding sports teams) or that it has met the interests and abilities of women on campus (by responding to club teams' requests for varsity status). A school must meet one of the three compliance criteria. Failing to meet the latter two, Wisconsin, which has been under the OCR's microscope since a Title IX complaint was filed against the school a decade ago, turned to roster management as the most politically and economically feasible way to reach proportionality. Last year, coaches in each sport were presented with target roster numbers, which were then reviewed and adjusted this summer. "Back when this ongoing situation with the OCR began, the student body was at about 50-50," a ratio the athletic department surpassed with slightly more women athletes (50.3 percent) than men last year, Marra says. "Now enrollment is about 53-47, and our incoming freshman class for this year is 55 percent women. It's a moving target." As it is, negotiating roster numbers among coaches can require as much politicking as a budget process. Men's coaches often feel as though they're being restricted; for the first time, they have to cut players or turn away interested walk-on athletes. Women's coaches, meanwhile, face having to convince more players to fill roster spots, and the additions may not possess the talent or desire of their teammates. A key to making it all work is an understanding of both the spirit and law of Title IX, according to Elaine Driedame, a former University of Dayton athletics administrator who has spoken on roster management at the past three NCAA Title IX seminars. "A lot of times, you're really not that far off-if you're even counting correctly," she says. When determining proportionality, the OCR looks at the roster number for a given team from the date that team starts facing outside competition through the conclusion of the season.
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Post by traveler on Dec 16, 2015 15:11:57 GMT -5
I have NO idea what you are talking about. Women's Basketball in DI gets 15 Full Scholarships. VB 12. That is alot and I doubt they care many walkons at all , especially since 5 play at a time, compared to 7/8 starters for volleyball. www.scholarshipstats.com/ncaalimits.htmlWhat I was trying to say was if the school wanted to max out on Title IX athletes you would think they would be consistent in all the women sports. Can anyone offer a reasonable explanation for carrying so many DS players? Not sure if this is an answer so much as a confirmation of what you believe is happening: At the OSU game, Karch was AMAZED at the number of DSs warming up/doing digging drills and mentioned it on air. My experience watching warmups since 2008 is that in the Coach consistently keeps a stable of DS players and has called on nearly all of them (frequency varying tremendously) during any given season. I thought i picked up on him relying on the L and one principal DS (e.g., Dom and Lacey) and using the other DSs for more for serving (in most years; 2015 differed). I am guessing that these players spend a lot of time on serves and probably there's less tape on them...so they may help be a secret side-out weapon. A number of Gatorades have come into the program and ended up in these slots...some have made more impact than others. It also poses a perplexing problem for impact HS players who simply don't have the size to play offense in the BIG, and Coach has provided a home for a number of these players. Another perplexing problem, IMO: do (even Gatorade) offensive players too short for offense convert well to L?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2015 6:43:12 GMT -5
I really wish that Salima and Russ look at the international pool of young players. I think The US market is saturated with coaches recruiting tweenies. It's getting more and more difficult to assess talent in that age group. Most good high school players are verbally committing by their freshman and sophomore years. I've been seriously thinking about going after international talent all season long. Picking up Novakovic was a start. Look for a good setter and another libero (the Japanese play excellent defensive VB).
As far as hitters go, I was watching the 2015 Pan Am Games in Canada over the summer. The one player that really stood out to me was a 16 year old 6'4" OH named Melissa Vargas from Cuba. She was carrying the Cuban team. Wow could she pound the heck out of the ball. The only down side is that I'm sure many other schools and pro teams noticed her as well. She'll probably get a pro contract and make a lot of money, she's that good. Unless, of course, she has dreams of visiting the good 'ol US of America and playing for the legend.
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Post by seeyajohn on Dec 19, 2015 7:40:36 GMT -5
Several of you have mentioned how many early commits we are seeing in volleyball. A verbal commitment is in no way binding. In a sport where there are a number of transfers of players who have already spent one or more seasons with a school, I don't understand why we would expect early verbal commitments to necessarily stand up until the player actually signs a LOI.
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Post by nyline on Dec 19, 2015 8:29:27 GMT -5
Several of you have mentioned how many early commits we are seeing in volleyball. A verbal commitment is in no way binding. In a sport where there are a number of transfers of players who have already spent one or more seasons with a school, I don't understand why we would expect early verbal commitments to necessarily stand up until the player actually signs a LOI. I think that's a great point. I'm glad it hasn't seemed to be an issue in D1 women's volleyball, because the spectre of coaches calling 15-year olds to try to get them to renege on promises is very unappealing to me (I'm sure it happens, and what constitutes a promise may be subject to interpretation). I guess the difference is that once the player is actually in school, they have the ability to assess whether the school is all it was cracked up to be in the recruiting process, whereas before they arrive, it's all hopes and dreams. I do hope D1 women's volleyball never gets like D1 football, where a verbal commitment often has all the moral binding weight of "let's talk again soon."
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2015 8:31:40 GMT -5
Several of you have mentioned how many early commits we are seeing in volleyball. A verbal commitment is in no way binding. In a sport where there are a number of transfers of players who have already spent one or more seasons with a school, I don't understand why we would expect early verbal commitments to necessarily stand up until the player actually signs a LOI. I secretly wish you are correct, but it seems the only time verbal commits decide to de-commit is when there is a coaching change at the university they committed too. Perhaps there is also an unwritten courtesy rule for coaches not to go after players once they've verbally committed. I could see the playing field getting really ugly if they did.
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Post by cross5 on Dec 19, 2015 8:59:41 GMT -5
Several of you have mentioned how many early commits we are seeing in volleyball. A verbal commitment is in no way binding. In a sport where there are a number of transfers of players who have already spent one or more seasons with a school, I don't understand why we would expect early verbal commitments to necessarily stand up until the player actually signs a LOI. I secretly wish you are correct, but it seems the only time verbal commits decide to de-commit is when there is a coaching change at the university they committed too. Perhaps there is also an unwritten courtesy rule for coaches not to go after players once they've verbally committed. I could see the playing field getting really ugly if they did. There is in smaller sports. Not in basketball and football. They language they use to coerce kids to come to their school or not go to another school is heavy. Especially for a 17 year old boy. This topic was being discussed today about the Texas A&M quarterbacks and how many of them transfer out and how the other school use this fact against them. However , in women vb, I would think it safe to assume some assistant coaches out their have brought up the "are you sure Coach Rose will be there " line when recruiting against PSU. I know psu missed on a few in the 15,16 and 17 so far, but with the increase use of social media certainly has been a game changer too.
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Post by tillie1014 on Dec 19, 2015 10:46:08 GMT -5
Note that GATORADE offense players, Walters, Holehouse and D'Errico were solid defensive players. Carrying a lot of DS arises from the difficulty of determining their ability to adjust to the collegiate game. Offensive studs are more easily identified.
I would suspect that a strong offensive player might think twice about coming to PSU as Russ has a well documented record of NOT using a lot of different attackers. Did Paulina realize this when she saw Franti in action in the spring semester? Did Robinson leave because she did not want to spend 4 years watching? I am a long time viewer of PSU volleyball and hesitate to be critical of the coaching staff that have accomplished so much for so many years even with all the staff changes these last few ;years.
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