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Post by tillie1014 on Dec 19, 2015 11:02:11 GMT -5
Just finished checking rosters back to the 2006 and that about 1/3 of the players on the roster are listed as DS in each of the following seasons
Of the 18 players on the just completed season 7 of them are listed as DS.
So historically that percentage with only small percentage differences is fairly consistent.
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Post by nyline on Dec 19, 2015 11:12:27 GMT -5
Note that GATORADE offense players, Walters, Holehouse and D'Errico were solid defensive players. Carrying a lot of DS arises from the difficulty of determining their ability to adjust to the collegiate game. Offensive studs are more easily identified. I would suspect that a strong offensive player might think twice about coming to PSU as Russ has a well documented record of NOT using a lot of different attackers. Did Paulina realize this when she saw Franti in action in the spring semester? Did Robinson leave because she did not want to spend 4 years watching? I am a long time viewer of PSU volleyball and hesitate to be critical of the coaching staff that have accomplished so much for so many years even with all the staff changes these last few ;years. This is not intended as a knock at Robinson, but she was a completely different level of player than Paulina -- I don't believe Robinson ever was going to see significant playing time (and my guess is that before she agreed to come to Penn State, she was told that she would be a long-shot to win playing time). I don't know the inside story on Paulina (and don't want to revisit it here), but I don't believe the number of hitters Russ uses (which I don't believe is much different than other schools -- though I could be wrong about that) was a factor. |
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Post by bob2061 on Dec 19, 2015 12:51:42 GMT -5
Several of you have mentioned how many early commits we are seeing in volleyball. A verbal commitment is in no way binding. In a sport where there are a number of transfers of players who have already spent one or more seasons with a school, I don't understand why we would expect early verbal commitments to necessarily stand up until the player actually signs a LOI. I think that's a great point. I'm glad it hasn't seemed to be an issue in D1 women's volleyball, because the spectre of coaches calling 15-year olds to try to get them to renege on promises is very unappealing to me (I'm sure it happens, and what constitutes a promise may be subject to interpretation). I guess the difference is that once the player is actually in school, they have the ability to assess whether the school is all it was cracked up to be in the recruiting process, whereas before they arrive, it's all hopes and dreams. I do hope D1 women's volleyball never gets like D1 football, where a verbal commitment often has all the moral binding weight of "let's talk again soon." Are we talking about Nebraska here? They have a rep for reneging I hear. |
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Post by nyline on Dec 19, 2015 13:27:23 GMT -5
I was actually talking about athletes reneging. I hope we don't get into a discussion of speculation about what Nebraska, or other schools do, or don't do, in terms of recruiting. None of us really knows, and I don't think that kind of speculation makes us look very good. I hope we can focus on the enormous positives Penn State brings to the table, rather than the rumored bad things other coaches/schools have allegedly done. (Not that you were doing that, but this line of discussion can easily soon out of control.)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2015 18:48:13 GMT -5
I think that's a great point. I'm glad it hasn't seemed to be an issue in D1 women's volleyball, because the spectre of coaches calling 15-year olds to try to get them to renege on promises is very unappealing to me (I'm sure it happens, and what constitutes a promise may be subject to interpretation). I guess the difference is that once the player is actually in school, they have the ability to assess whether the school is all it was cracked up to be in the recruiting process, whereas before they arrive, it's all hopes and dreams. I do hope D1 women's volleyball never gets like D1 football, where a verbal commitment often has all the moral binding weight of "let's talk again soon." Are we talking about Nebraska here? They have a rep for reneging I hear. I'm assuming you're referring to a rep who talks to kids who are considering backing out of their verbal commitment versus a rep who goes after verbally committed recruits in order to get them to renege. |
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Post by traveler on Dec 19, 2015 19:58:07 GMT -5
Note that GATORADE offense players, Walters, Holehouse and D'Errico were solid defensive players. Carrying a lot of DS arises from the difficulty of determining their ability to adjust to the collegiate game. Offensive studs are more easily identified. I would suspect that a strong offensive player might think twice about coming to PSU as Russ has a well documented record of NOT using a lot of different attackers. Did Paulina realize this when she saw Franti in action in the spring semester? Did Robinson leave because she did not want to spend 4 years watching? I am a long time viewer of PSU volleyball and hesitate to be critical of the coaching staff that have accomplished so much for so many years even with all the staff changes these last few ;years. This is not intended as a knock at Robinson, but she was a completely different level of player than Paulina -- I don't believe Robinson ever was going to see significant playing time (and my guess is that before she agreed to come to Penn State, she was told that she would be a long-shot to win playing time). I don't know the inside story on Paulina (and don't want to revisit it here), but I don't believe the number of hitters Russ uses (which I don't believe is much different than other schools -- though I could be wrong about that) was a factor. my recollection was that Prieto Cerame was supposed to be a clutch player, and i don't think her serving held up when they subbed her in the NCAA tournament in 2013. She went to TX with much fanfare but if you look at her numbers in her bio, she had middling numbers last year. Mid season this year, she suddenly exploded. I have no info on why that was...do know that it took some time before her impact was felt at TX. She seems to be very happy and engaged now. |
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Post by bob2061 on Dec 22, 2015 4:44:11 GMT -5
It seems like we continue to hold one scholarship open in hopes of getting a blue-chip recruit or transfer. Let's keep our fingers crossed. Unfortunately two very talented 2017 recruits, who had some interest in Penn State, chose other schools - Lexi Sun going to Texas and Jazz Sweet and McClellan going to Nebraska. Also Stephanie Samedy to Minnesota in 2016.
For the next few years Nebraska,Texas, Florida and Minnesota will be stacked with Senior Aces.
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Post by bob2061 on Dec 22, 2015 13:12:35 GMT -5
Since news is a little slow now, here is a defensive dandy update for Kendall White. According to PrepVolleyball:
Kendall White, Jr., Cathedral (Indianapolis, Indiana) – Irish coach Jean Kesterson has called White “one of the best high school defensive players I have seen in my nearly 30 years of coaching at this level.” Obviously Russ Rose, coach of Penn State, agrees, as he offered this three-time All-State performer (First Team in 2014) a four-year volleyball scholarship to play defense for the Nittany Lions. White is already in Cathedral’s record book as the Irish’s all-time digs leader with 1,180 (4.1 digs per set). “Kendall accomplished this milestone despite teams hitting away from her the past two seasons,” Coach K said. “I overheard one coach communicating loudly to his team to keep the ball away from #13 (Kendall’s number). You know that you’re a big time player when opponents design their offense to hit away from you. It’s not the in-system plays that separate Kendall from other defensive players; it’s the out of system in crazy time on the court that makes her one of the Defensive Dandies. She is fearless, I would also say that she is a little crazy. This is what makes her the anchor in our backcourt. She dives into bleachers, over and into chairs just to bring a ball back into play. The remarkable thing is that she makes it look so easy.”
Kendall was only PSU recruit listed in current complete defensive dandy listings.
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Post by tillie1014 on Dec 24, 2015 11:28:09 GMT -5
Paulina and Kelly were not being compared. Kelly may have decided that not getting any playing time and not anticipating a change left to play not ride the bench.
Russ has seldom used many different hitters than those that start.
Note that if the stats shown on this site are complete that only 6 of 8 players had attack participation in more than 80 sets.(most sets were 112 for PSU)
Nebraska had 10 players who were in more than 100 sets.(most sets for Big Red were 125
Are they typical or is PSU participation typical?
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Post by nyline on Dec 24, 2015 14:22:15 GMT -5
Paulina and Kelly were not being compared. Kelly may have decided that not getting any playing time and not anticipating a change left to play not ride the bench. Russ has seldom used many different hitters than those that start. Note that if the stats shown on this site are complete that only 6 of 8 players had attack participation in more than 80 sets.(most sets were 112 for PSU) Nebraska had 10 players who were in more than 100 sets.(most sets for Big Red were 125 Are they typical or is PSU participation typical? Stats on this site don't yet include the Hawaii match, and only include team leaders, but certainly include any player who played in 60 or more sets. As to what's typical, no idea. If 8M were posting now, that would be a job for him ☺ |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2015 14:49:29 GMT -5
Paulina and Kelly were not being compared. Kelly may have decided that not getting any playing time and not anticipating a change left to play not ride the bench. Russ has seldom used many different hitters than those that start. Note that if the stats shown on this site are complete that only 6 of 8 players had attack participation in more than 80 sets.(most sets were 112 for PSU) Nebraska had 10 players who were in more than 100 sets.(most sets for Big Red were 125 Are they typical or is PSU participation typical? Stats on this site don't yet include the Hawaii match, and only include team leaders, but certainly include any player who played in 60 or more sets. As to what's typical, no idea. If 8M were posting now, that would be a job for him ☺ It's certainly a good "rule of thumb" stat worth having. As it's not that challenging a challenge--"how many out of how many played in two-thirds of a teams' sets in a season" I could look into it over the last several years. |
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Post by tillie1014 on Dec 24, 2015 17:05:55 GMT -5
2006 114 was the highest number of sets played. 6 of 7 total played over 100
2007 122 the most sets 5 of 7 played over 100
2008 6 of 7 played
2009 6 of 7
2010 7 of 7 played
Looking at others in the Big 10
and Stanford all for 2015
shows 110 was Stanford's high number and 8 played
Minnesota in 2015 129 the highest of which 9 played and the 10th made 97 appearances
Wisconsin in 2015 with the high being 117 had 8 playing.
This means little as coaching philosophies will vary greatly.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2015 17:27:27 GMT -5
2006 114 was the highest number of sets played. 6 of 7 total played over 100 2007 122 the most sets 5 of 7 played over 100 2008 6 of 7 played 2009 6 of 7 2010 7 of 7 played Looking at others in the Big 10 and Stanford all for 2015 shows 110 was Stanford's high number and 8 played Minnesota in 2015 129 the highest of which 9 played and the 10th made 97 appearances Wisconsin in 2015 with the high being 117 had 8 playing. This means little as coaching philosophies will vary greatly. Well there goes my chance to play the hero. Thank you for the information. |
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Post by psulion on Dec 27, 2015 17:23:44 GMT -5
Since news is a little slow now, here is a defensive dandy update for Kendall White. According to PrepVolleyball: Kendall White, Jr., Cathedral (Indianapolis, Indiana) – Irish coach Jean Kesterson has called White “one of the best high school defensive players I have seen in my nearly 30 years of coaching at this level.” Obviously Russ Rose, coach of Penn State, agrees, as he offered this three-time All-State performer (First Team in 2014) a four-year volleyball scholarship to play defense for the Nittany Lions. White is already in Cathedral’s record book as the Irish’s all-time digs leader with 1,180 (4.1 digs per set). “Kendall accomplished this milestone despite teams hitting away from her the past two seasons,” Coach K said. “I overheard one coach communicating loudly to his team to keep the ball away from #13 (Kendall’s number). You know that you’re a big time player when opponents design their offense to hit away from you. It’s not the in-system plays that separate Kendall from other defensive players; it’s the out of system in crazy time on the court that makes her one of the Defensive Dandies. She is fearless, I would also say that she is a little crazy. This is what makes her the anchor in our backcourt. She dives into bleachers, over and into chairs just to bring a ball back into play. The remarkable thing is that she makes it look so easy.” Kendall was only PSU recruit listed in current complete defensive dandy listings. Sounds exciting. Hopefully that talent will transfer to the D1 level. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2015 19:30:10 GMT -5
Just read a post by Vblyf on VT about a very interesting prospective OH recruit for 2018.
SC Gatorade Volleyball Player of the Year: Thayer Hall
THE BASICS:
School: Dorman (Roebuck, S.C.)
Grade: Sophomore
Position: Outside hitter
Height: 6-foot-3
Athletic achievement: She slammed 570 kills while recording a .539 kill percentage and .417 hitting percentage this past season, leading the Cavaliers (35-4) to the Class AAAA state final. Also the Class 4A Player of the Year as named by the South Carolina Coaches Association of Women’s Sports, Hall amassed 310 digs, 239 service receptions, 58 service aces and 36 blocks. A two-time club All-American, she led the Upward Stars to the 2015 AAU Girls’ Junior National Volleyball Championships this past summer, capturing tournament Most Valuable Player honors.
Academic excellence: Also an accomplished artist and basketball standout, Hall has maintained a 4.94 weighted GPA and has served as a member of her school’s leadership program.
Exemplary character: In addition to donating her time as a youth volleyball instructor, she has volunteered locally on behalf of a soup kitchen, her church, the Special Olympics and the Fellowship of Christian Athletes.
THE PRAISE: “Thayer Hall is quite possibly the best player and athlete I have seen as a high school coach,” said April Raymond, head coach at rival Raymond High. “She’s extremely effective and powerful.”
THE FUTURE: Hall will begin her junior year of high school in the fall of 2016.
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