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Post by nyline on Jun 14, 2015 15:44:37 GMT -5
It seems recruiting in North Carolina and Virginia has dried up. Is that area just not producing quality recruits lately? Megan Hodge, Katie Slay, Blair Brown, Kristen Carpenter sure were good ones. Not sure whether you are asking whether top-rated talent has been less prevalent in North Carolina and Virginia, or whether you're asking whether Penn State has failed to successfully recruit the top-rated talent from North Carolina and Virginia. It may be a bit of the former (less top-rated talent), but I don't think it's the latter. Penn State signed a great class in 2014 -- many argue the best in NCAA history. So even though none were from North Carolina or Virginia, not sure that's particularly telling, given who they signed. The 2015 class doesn't appear to be in that same league -- but I don't believe it's because recruiting in North Carolina and Virginia dried up: None of the Top 30 2015 PrepVolleyball.com Senior Aces were from North Carolina or Virginia. In 2013 -- a year in which Penn State didn't sign any top-ranked recruits -- same story: none of the Top 30 2015 PrepVolleyball.com Senior Aces were from North Carolina or Virginia. In 2012, PrepVolleyball's #5-ranked recruit, setter Maddie Bugg (Stanford), was from North Carolina, but there were no other North Carolina or Virginia players ranked in PrepVolleyball.com's top 30 for 2012. Penn State signed two very highly-rated recruits in 2012 -- #4-ranked Megan Courtney and #7-ranked Paulina Prieto (Kendall Pierce, who may well be the starting libero in 2015, was also in that class, as was Lara Caraway). I don't know whether Russ Rose recruited Maddie Bugg, but he already had Micha Hancock on the team, and she turned out to be pretty good.
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Post by Onthebench on Jun 14, 2015 19:44:16 GMT -5
I don't think it matters where the players comes from. It certainly matters that PSU recruit the best student athletes possible. Every year, PSU graduates two or three top level players. So, PSU has to keep up with other top level schools to recruit the top level talents every year. It looks like most of the top schools recruited many all-american high schoolers where PSU had none in 2015 class. Even though 2014 class was tremendous talent that they will be the focus in 2015 as well, replenishing each year with the top recruits is more imperative going forward as PSU is the target for all other schools
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2015 10:11:54 GMT -5
I agree with the first part of your comment, however, I don't think it's possible or necessary to replenish each year with top recruits. You have equally as talented players that are underclassman from the bench who are stepping into these graduated positions, like most recently Aiyana Whitney. You have Simone Lee who is equally as good as any of this year's recruits who is waiting for some graduations. You have 2 redshirted Fr. players from "the best recruiting class ever". So the matter isn't every year- it's a matter of being able to maximizing the players currently on your roster to grow into key performers, having a planned cycle of recruiting, knowing which players will be team oriented and wait for their time to shine in the program, and have an enviornment of competition- where no player is guaranteed a position. Assumedly, there was a transfer due to the talented '14 recruiting class. But I think the programs current successes and stability prove that they have a handle on their recruiting practices.
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Post by Onthebench on Jun 16, 2015 20:01:37 GMT -5
I understand that it's not an easy task to get the top talent each year, but there are so many schools who will challenge for the top spot that unless PSU is able to recruit the best players possible, it'll be difficult to challenge for the championship. I think 2015 will have enough to compete, but when Megan and Ayana graduate in 2016, it'll be tough to replace those two. So, instead of relying on the freshmen class to step up as they did in 2014, if they can get some good players each year, they can develop for a year and become better players starting from the sophomore year. Since they have many DS, we hope couple of them will come through each year for next few years. So, they need to concentrate recruiting other position players with some size as there are so many tall players (6'3 and above) on the other schools
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2015 14:56:24 GMT -5
I'm only going to speak on this coming year because I don't have any further information. I agree, 9 is A LOT of DS. But Rose did remark in the beginning of last year that he was not pleased with the competition in that core as a whole- so maybe this is his focus while they transition into new DS/L role players. We all know the importance of this often under rewarded position.
Your other statements oversimplifies the recruiting process. There are factors that aren't being acknowledging in the recruiting process.
First and foremost, scholarship availability- which prevents all teams' ability to recruit the best players year in and year out. And I wouldn't call it relying on the freshmen class- recruiting is an investment, especially with a class of that size- there's going to be consequences...
Which I alluded to in my previous post is each new recruits want to come into a pre existing power program that's full of young top players where they might not get on the floor immediately. Another challenge is the available pool of players in the position(s) needed. You can also factor in location of the school that affects recruiting. And lastly, the biggest challenge in recruiting is how young kids are verballing to universities. So yes, top recruits/talent are needed to stay a top program. But there's limitations I feel you overlooked.
And going by his overall results and the current dynasty, I believe he is doing everything in his power and understanding to field the best teams possible.
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Post by knowname on Jun 17, 2015 17:22:51 GMT -5
I'm only going to speak on this coming year because I don't have any further information. I agree, 9 is A LOT of DS. But Rose did remark in the beginning of last year that he was not pleased with the competition in that core as a whole- so maybe this is his focus while they transition into new DS/L role players. We all know the importance of this often under rewarded position. Your other statements oversimplifies the recruiting process. There are factors that aren't being acknowledging in the recruiting process. First and foremost, scholarship availability- which prevents all teams' ability to recruit the best players year in and year out. And I wouldn't call it relying on the freshmen class- recruiting is an investment, especially with a class of that size- there's going to be consequences... Which I alluded to in my previous post is each new recruits want to come into a pre existing power program that's full of young top players where they might not get on the floor immediately. Another challenge is the available pool of players in the position(s) needed. You can also factor in location of the school that affects recruiting. And lastly, the biggest challenge in recruiting is how young kids are verballing to universities. So yes, top recruits/talent are needed to stay a top program. But there's limitations I feel you overlooked. And going by his overall results and the current dynasty, I believe he is doing everything in his power and understanding to field the best teams possible. I agree Russ and staff are doing everything to recruit the best players. I question how Texas and Nebraska seem to have an open scholarship available for every transfer.
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Post by nyline on Jun 17, 2015 19:43:59 GMT -5
I'm only going to speak on this coming year because I don't have any further information. I agree, 9 is A LOT of DS. But Rose did remark in the beginning of last year that he was not pleased with the competition in that core as a whole- so maybe this is his focus while they transition into new DS/L role players. We all know the importance of this often under rewarded position. Your other statements oversimplifies the recruiting process. There are factors that aren't being acknowledging in the recruiting process. First and foremost, scholarship availability- which prevents all teams' ability to recruit the best players year in and year out. And I wouldn't call it relying on the freshmen class- recruiting is an investment, especially with a class of that size- there's going to be consequences... Which I alluded to in my previous post is each new recruits want to come into a pre existing power program that's full of young top players where they might not get on the floor immediately. Another challenge is the available pool of players in the position(s) needed. You can also factor in location of the school that affects recruiting. And lastly, the biggest challenge in recruiting is how young kids are verballing to universities. So yes, top recruits/talent are needed to stay a top program. But there's limitations I feel you overlooked. And going by his overall results and the current dynasty, I believe he is doing everything in his power and understanding to field the best teams possible. I agree Russ and staff are doing everything to recruit the best players. I question how Texas and Nebraska seem to have an open scholarship available for every transfer. Well, Nebraska had a number of players transfer out. Some VTers think John Cook exerted undue/improper influence on them to do so. I haven't seen any evidence to support that. I suspect it's more along the lines of very good players coming in, and merely good players transferring out. PSU had Paulina transfer to Texas, and from what I understand, there was nothing improper on either end (Penn State was very disappointed that Paulina left). Texas hasn't had a lot of transfers out that I recall, so I suspect they've had open scholarships.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2015 21:26:23 GMT -5
There's quite a Volleytalk thread about Coach Cook based on an article about recruiting. Some say the article is an indictment of Cook's character. Others say it vindicates him. I cannot say.
Best case I can give as to why I'm glad I root for PSU and Coach Rose is the 30 November 2013 PSU @ Nebraska game. If you don't remember, here's a link: It's on Tom's Good Files and it's free.
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Post by nyline on Jun 17, 2015 21:42:56 GMT -5
There's quite a Volleytalk thread about Coach Cook based on an article about recruiting. Some say the article is an indictment of Cook's character. Others say it vindicates him. I cannot say. Best case I can give as to why I'm glad I root for PSU and Coach Rose is the 30 November 2013 PSU @ Nebraska game. If you don't remember, here's a link: It's on Tom's Good Files and it's free. Thanks gnu2vball. ProBoards allows you to embed the video:
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2015 22:59:08 GMT -5
Thank you Nyline! Some do Neolithic diets. Regrettably, that's my approach to technology.
The only thing worse than this game's officiating was Audrey Faull's (sic?) commentary. She went to Ohio State, right? The team colors must have been close enough to affect her sympathies.
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Post by phillytom on Jun 19, 2015 7:26:29 GMT -5
So... is Keeton Holcomb the anticipated addition to the 2015 class? Does this finalize the roster for this year?
Looks like quite a competition for that libero job. Pierces, Muller, Canulli, Holcomb, Dykstra, Broerman.... Whoever emerges from that group is going to be TOUGH.
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Post by nyline on Jun 19, 2015 11:31:44 GMT -5
So... is Keeton Holcomb the anticipated addition to the 2015 class? Does this finalize the roster for this year? Looks like quite a competition for that libero job. Pierces, Muller, Canulli, Holcomb, Dykstra, Broerman.... Whoever emerges from that group is going to be TOUGH. Memo from: PSU Coaching Staff To: Volleyball Gods Re: Listen to PhillyTom
From your lips to the Volleyball Gods' ears!
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Post by phillytom on Jun 20, 2015 10:52:24 GMT -5
Thanks for posting that link to the 2013 Nebraska match. PSU really had no business taking it the way they did, but they just hung in there and made fewer mistakes than Nebraska at the end of the fourth set.
Obviously that was a future championship team on the floor for PSU, but it was a reminder to me of how much difficulty that team had terminating at times. Not like last year's team which just went into beast mode and only a couple of teams could defend them at all.
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Post by nyline on Jun 20, 2015 15:58:44 GMT -5
Thanks for posting that link to the 2013 Nebraska match. PSU really had no business taking it the way they did, but they just hung in there and made fewer mistakes than Nebraska at the end of the fourth set. Obviously that was a future championship team on the floor for PSU, but it was a reminder to me of how much difficulty that team had terminating at times. Not like last year's team which just went into beast mode and only a couple of teams could defend them at all. I wonder whether this year's team will resemble 2011 or 2013 (I think with a new setter 2014 is too much to hope for).
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Post by phillytom on Jun 20, 2015 18:30:03 GMT -5
Thanks for posting that link to the 2013 Nebraska match. PSU really had no business taking it the way they did, but they just hung in there and made fewer mistakes than Nebraska at the end of the fourth set. Obviously that was a future championship team on the floor for PSU, but it was a reminder to me of how much difficulty that team had terminating at times. Not like last year's team which just went into beast mode and only a couple of teams could defend them at all. I wonder whether this year's team will resemble 2011 or 2013 (I think with a new setter 2014 is too much to hope for). They have way more offensive firepower than 2011. That team had some injuries that robbed them of a lot of their front line talent. Denny might have been a great player. Dorton might have been the leader of the team. Grant was a freshman and pretty raw. Slay was a soph but still developing her offensive game. Whitney redshirted. McClendon was asked to do so much and defenses just bunched up on her. New setter, but fortunately the hitters have experience. Courtney and Frantti are both so terrific out of system/subpar sets which they may see a lot of this year. Very interesting year because so many teams are working in lots of new players -- the only exception being Stanford. Too bad if the reports about Ajanaku are true -- I really like seeing her play.
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