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Post by elliotberton on Oct 29, 2017 12:43:46 GMT -5
Bob raises a key question. How much physical and mental rest does a player really get if they come off for two or three rotations? My subjective observation has been that nearly all college players have enough stamina to play 5 tough sets, and that subs are mostly strategic or to provide a player a mental time out.
We have a group of defensive specialists. We use them sparingly. I assume that is because they don't bring skills to the court which are as beneficial to the team (at a particular moment) as Frantti. Same goes for Reed. When Frantti struggled against WI, coach tried Reed. When Reed's level dropped a bit in Set three he went back to Frantti for set four. I propose that coach's commitment to Frantti is because she brings so much to the table. I think Bob would agree with that observation.
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Post by nyline on Oct 29, 2017 13:29:14 GMT -5
Bob raises a key question. How much physical and mental rest does a player really get if they come off for two or three rotations? My subjective observation has been that nearly all college players have enough stamina to play 5 tough sets, and that subs are mostly strategic or to provide a player a mental time out. We have a group of defensive specialists. We use them sparingly. I assume that is because they don't bring skills to the court which are as beneficial to the team (at a particular moment) as Frantti. Same goes for Reed. When Frantti struggled against WI, coach tried Reed. When Reed's level dropped a bit in Set three he went back to Frantti for set four. I propose that coach's commitment to Frantti is because she brings so much to the table. I think Bob would agree with that observation. Substitution limitations also play into this (as someone undoubtedly has pointed out -- I'm guilty here of not back-reading this thread). With the 6-2, Coach Rose doesn't have as many substitutions available for DS or other subs. So he probably sticks with players longer than he might if he weren't in the 6-2. Finally, until the Wisconsin match, Reed hadn't excelled as a sub. Who else was Coach Rose going to put in for Ali? Cami May isn't an OH. Putnicki may be very good down the line, but right now she looks undersized. If she were standing out in practice, I suspect she would have seen court time. Coach Rose has never been reluctant to play true freshmen. |
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Post by fj11211 on Oct 29, 2017 14:29:16 GMT -5
Bob raises a key question. How much physical and mental rest does a player really get if they come off for two or three rotations? My subjective observation has been that nearly all college players have enough stamina to play 5 tough sets, and that subs are mostly strategic or to provide a player a mental time out. We have a group of defensive specialists. We use them sparingly. I assume that is because they don't bring skills to the court which are as beneficial to the team (at a particular moment) as Frantti. Same goes for Reed. When Frantti struggled against WI, coach tried Reed. When Reed's level dropped a bit in Set three he went back to Frantti for set four. I propose that coach's commitment to Frantti is because she brings so much to the table. I think Bob would agree with that observation. I do believe stamina is part of the consideration, especially for 6 rotation outside hitters who have to pass, hit, block, or dig with every point. Coach Rose said in one of the interviews to the effect that a player can hit the hard wood only so many times. Take a look at the tennis world, why so many professional athletes are injured in such a seemingly low-contact sport. |
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Post by seeyajohn on Oct 29, 2017 14:32:23 GMT -5
Yep. When she's in. Splitting time with Gorrell, I think, and we even saw Clare Powers this set. To clarify Heidi’s role, she is playing opposite Brianna. Heidi is off the court when Brianna is setting and on the court during the three rotations when Abby is setting. Tori is playing middle blocker. |
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Post by armydoogie on Oct 29, 2017 15:52:44 GMT -5
Yep. When she's in. Splitting time with Gorrell, I think, and we even saw Clare Powers this set. To clarify Heidi’s role, she is playing opposite Brianna. Heidi is off the court when Brianna is setting and on the court during the three rotations when Abby is setting. Tori is playing middle blocker. Thanks, seeyajohn... I knew someone would jump in to clarify. |
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Post by traveler on Oct 29, 2017 16:55:03 GMT -5
Speaking of clarification...
I rewatched the match last night and noted in set 2 we started w/Haleigh serving, rather than .. Brianna? So we started w/ our normal ro 3?
The radio crew did not mention it; significance, oh great rotation explicator?
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Post by traveler on Oct 29, 2017 17:38:33 GMT -5
Just looked it up; we started set 1 w/Frantti (Frohnnnti)
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Post by bob2061 on Oct 29, 2017 17:43:25 GMT -5
Speaking of clarification... I rewatched the match last night and noted in set 2 we started w/Haleigh serving, rather than .. Brianna? So we started w/ our normal ro 3? The radio crew did not mention it; significance, oh great rotation explicator? Coach does that to change the match ups and it really seemed effective. Sometimes the smallest change can have a big effect. Our teamwork right now is pretty damn good and I credit the passing and serving the most. It results in almost everything being in sync. Have we ever maxed out on our substitutions? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2017 19:17:17 GMT -5
Speaking of clarification... I rewatched the match last night and noted in set 2 we started w/Haleigh serving, rather than .. Brianna? So we started w/ our normal ro 3? The radio crew did not mention it; significance, oh great rotation explicator? Coach does that to change the match ups and it really seemed effective. Sometimes the smallest change can have a big effect. Our teamwork right now is pretty damn good and I credit the passing and serving the most. It results in almost everything being in sync. Have we ever maxed out on our substitutions? We maxed out in a game at Nebraska in 2012, I believe. A set went into the upper 20s and Katie Slay was serving and playing back row. |
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Post by elliotberton on Oct 29, 2017 20:50:19 GMT -5
I remember that too. And we were playing a one setter system.
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Post by elliotberton on Oct 29, 2017 20:59:31 GMT -5
Bob raises a key question. How much physical and mental rest does a player really get if they come off for two or three rotations? My subjective observation has been that nearly all college players have enough stamina to play 5 tough sets, and that subs are mostly strategic or to provide a player a mental time out. We have a group of defensive specialists. We use them sparingly. I assume that is because they don't bring skills to the court which are as beneficial to the team (at a particular moment) as Frantti. Same goes for Reed. When Frantti struggled against WI, coach tried Reed. When Reed's level dropped a bit in Set three he went back to Frantti for set four. I propose that coach's commitment to Frantti is because she brings so much to the table. I think Bob would agree with that observation. I do believe stamina is part of the consideration, especially for 6 rotation outside hitters who have to pass, hit, block, or dig with every point. Coach Rose said in one of the interviews to the effect that a player can hit the hard wood only so many times. Take a look at the tennis world, why so many professional athletes are injured in such a seemingly low-contact sport. That is a fair point. Yet all teams keep their best players in the whole match. Very few try using two setters, and there seems to be in addition to the setter at least one other 6 rotation "stud" who plays nearly all sets in all the competitive matches. My conclusion is that even as the top players tire, they remain better than the available alternatives. More specifically, outsides and middles who also play back row take a different kind of hard wood hit than when they are in the front row. Again, my conclusion is that taking the stars off for two or three rotations does not provide enough rest to improve player performance. |
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Post by nyline on Oct 30, 2017 6:14:15 GMT -5
But when Frantti came back into the match in game 3 or was it game 4.?) against Wisconsin, she played well.
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Post by seeyajohn on Oct 30, 2017 7:58:35 GMT -5
Speaking of clarification... I rewatched the match last night and noted in set 2 we started w/Haleigh serving, rather than .. Brianna? So we started w/ our normal ro 3? The radio crew did not mention it; significance, oh great rotation explicator? Illinois had first serve in the second set. So my guess is that the PSU rotation choice was a match up decision. Illinois dictated the starting rotation. Interestingly, Coach Rose opted to open with Ali serving in set 3. That meant that Brianna was sixth in line to serve. |
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Post by elliotberton on Oct 30, 2017 13:30:23 GMT -5
But when Frantti came back into the match in game 3 or was it game 4.?) against Wisconsin, she played well. It was set 4, and she did play well. In set 3, Reed came back down to earth, and was blocked a couple of times. So in set 4 coach returned to his "normal" rotation using Frantti instead of Reed and Holcomb. I recall that Frannti managed to get a few kills in set 4 and thus finished with a very low but positive hitting pct. (she was negative after the first two sets). Frantti's passing and blocking skills are so significant that even when she is not hitting for a high percentage, we need her on the Court. It literally takes two players to replace what she does for us. |
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Post by elliotberton on Oct 30, 2017 17:18:35 GMT -5
Has anyone heard why Gorrell was entitled to such vigorous coaching during the match? To my untutored eye, she seemed to play her position pretty well. Maybe she failed to follow the game plan?
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