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Post by fj11211 on Oct 30, 2017 18:42:14 GMT -5
I watched the match several times, and it was a feel-good win.
Coach Rose is very astute (understatement). At the end of set 1, Illinois setter did attack from in front of the 3 meter line as a back court player. The referee did not call it, but coach Rose sure saw it. If that call was made, it would be PSU 25-24 with a match point. PSU got the next point. So set 1 could have been 26 to 24 PSU, instead of 30-28 several points later.
Our girls seem to have played much better when they faced match point though. They played a very clean match.
When we win, we think about who got how many kills (BTW, Detering got nice kills hitting .500 for the match. She should be recognized along with other hitters as well). What I saw from the replay was how tough PSU serves were. They got Illinois out of system for most of sent 2 and 3.
The Illinois match commentators probably were the best. Their mastering of statistics during the match was unparalleled.
As the commentators pointed out, the PSU players were not flashy (Washington probably would be the exception). What makes this team number 1 is how they play together. The sum of the whole system is much greater than the combined talent of individual players. Without a designated terminator, ie Megan Hodge (Easy), Blair Brown (Brown was hitting over blockers with the assistance of a rookie setter Carpenter), our balanced attacks and fierce defense win matches.
Let's hope this team will bring home championship #8 in December. No pressure, just do your thing, girls.
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Post by traveler on Oct 30, 2017 19:22:16 GMT -5
You said it! And thanks for clearing up the question about the back row attack.
Other observation: As I watched, I felt for sure in this match that we could cover the floor; earlier in the year, didn't have that feeling so much. I was a little meh on White earlier this season. Since that night that Coach made the 'cavalier' comment, I thought that White has completely transformed her play, and the whole team is benefiting. Couple that with our tough serving (which you cannot measure by our low ace count), IL seemed consistently out of system.
Yes, a feel-great win!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2017 20:07:14 GMT -5
I watched the match several times, and it was a feel-good win. Coach Rose is very astute (understatement). At the end of set 1, Illinois setter did attack from in front of the 3 meter line as a back court player. The referee did not call it, but coach Rose sure saw it. If that call was made, it would be PSU 25-24 with a match point. PSU got the next point. So set 1 could have been 26 to 24 PSU, instead of 30-28 several points later. Our girls seem to have played much better when they faced match point though. They played a very clean match. When we win, we think about who got how many kills (BTW, Detering got nice kills hitting .500 for the match. She should be recognized along with other hitters as well). What I saw from the replay was how tough PSU serves were. They got Illinois out of system for most of sent 2 and 3. The Illinois match commentators probably were the best. Their mastering of statistics during the match was unparalleled. As the commentators pointed out, the PSU players were not flashy (Washington probably would be the exception). What makes this team number 1 is how they play together. The sum of the whole system is much greater than the combined talent of individual players. Without a designated terminator, ie Megan Hodge (Easy), Blair Brown (Brown was hitting over blockers with the assistance of a rookie setter Carpenter), our balanced attacks and fierce defense win matches. Let's hope this team will bring home championship #8 in December. No pressure, just do your thing, girls. Hey Nyline, can you get back to that former player and ask if this team has attained "connectedness?" |
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Post by bob2061 on Oct 31, 2017 9:06:51 GMT -5
It was a great team victory but I still don't understand why Nia Reed didn't get to play at least at the end of set #3. It is almost like she is being punished for playing so good against Wisconsin. I mean, even Ali wouldn't begrudge Nia a minute or two of playing time at the end of the match. I wonder if this has anything to do with whether Nia will come back for her last season in 2018?
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Post by toomuchvb on Oct 31, 2017 11:04:50 GMT -5
It was a great team victory but I still don't understand why Nia Reed didn't get to play at least at the end of set #3. It is almost like she is being punished for playing so good against Wisconsin. I mean, even Ali wouldn't begrudge Nia a minute or two of playing time at the end of the match. I wonder if this has anything to do with whether Nia will come back for her last season in 2018? I hope it has nothing to do with Nia's 2018 season. She would be the lone Nittany Lion pin hitter returning with any long-term experience. Nia will again grow next year! Nias been with the program longer than any returner. They'll lean on her. So will Putnicki and May as fellow pin hitters. Fortunately, Gorrell is a returning player with lots of experience, PLUS big match experience. Add all that to the returning cadre of DSs, and they'll present a balanced group of players. My hope anyway! |
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Post by Millennium on Oct 31, 2017 12:04:20 GMT -5
It was a great team victory but I still don't understand why Nia Reed didn't get to play at least at the end of set #3. It is almost like she is being punished for playing so good against Wisconsin. I mean, even Ali wouldn't begrudge Nia a minute or two of playing time at the end of the match. I wonder if this has anything to do with whether Nia will come back for her last season in 2018? I'm thinking that coach keeps her out of games purposely so that other teams have less film to scout and prepare for her. This way she can come in as our secret weapon, as needed. By the way, isn't Bryanna also coming back next season? Didn't she redshirt her freshan year? |
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Post by fj11211 on Oct 31, 2017 12:17:39 GMT -5
It was a great team victory but I still don't understand why Nia Reed didn't get to play at least at the end of set #3. It is almost like she is being punished for playing so good against Wisconsin. I mean, even Ali wouldn't begrudge Nia a minute or two of playing time at the end of the match. I wonder if this has anything to do with whether Nia will come back for her last season in 2018? I'm thinking that coach keeps her out of games purposely so that other teams have less film to scout and prepare for her. This way she can come in as our secret weapon, as needed. By the way, isn't Bryanna also coming back next season? Didn't she redshirt her freshan year? I like this interpretation. Nia is a superb athlete, and she can only improve. Since she has waited for so long, and knowing she could be the go-to hitter next year, it makes sense that she play her last eligible year at PSU. One year of glory with PSU under coach Rose can pave her way to a professional career if that is what she wants. Also, players are evaluated by kills/set etc. If she comes into a match and does little, it does not look good on her resume. |
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Post by elliotberton on Oct 31, 2017 12:24:36 GMT -5
Bob asks a very fair question. To keep players sharp, they need some floor time in matches. If Ali or Simone got injured in a match, or are not being effective, Nia would have to step in. If and when the score and substitution limits allow, I think it makes sense to put Nia in, just as it was wise to get some floor time for some of the DS players at the end of the Illinois match (eg: Powers got in for a rotation or two).
Saying players always need to be ready is one thing, but getting game speed opportunities enhances the prospect that the player(s) will be ready when called upon.
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Post by nyline on Oct 31, 2017 14:13:35 GMT -5
It was a great team victory but I still don't understand why Nia Reed didn't get to play at least at the end of set #3. It is almost like she is being punished for playing so good against Wisconsin. I mean, even Ali wouldn't begrudge Nia a minute or two of playing time at the end of the match. I wonder if this has anything to do with whether Nia will come back for her last season in 2018? Five responses: 1) limited substitutions; 2) fine-tuning the team -- everyone has a role; Nia's isn't to come in just to come in; 3) it's all about how players play in practice; 4) it has nothing to do with whether Ali would begrudge Nia minutes, it's whether Coach Rose thinks it will help the team to break up a rotation, simply to get a player minutes; 5) see numbers 1-4. |
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Post by elliotberton on Oct 31, 2017 14:51:12 GMT -5
It was a great team victory but I still don't understand why Nia Reed didn't get to play at least at the end of set #3. It is almost like she is being punished for playing so good against Wisconsin. I mean, even Ali wouldn't begrudge Nia a minute or two of playing time at the end of the match. I wonder if this has anything to do with whether Nia will come back for her last season in 2018? Five responses: 1) limited substitutions; 2) fine-tuning the team -- everyone has a role; Nia's isn't to come in just to come in; 3) it's all about how players play in practice; 4) it has nothing to do with whether Ali would begrudge Nia minutes, it's whether Coach Rose thinks it will help the team to break up a rotation, simply to get a player minutes; 5) see numbers 1-4. Absolutely valid considerations. As I have made clear many times, I do not criticize the coaching staff. The long term success of the program speaks for itself and the benefit of every doubt must be resolve in favor of the staff's decisions. My inquiry is simply whether the team would benefit if, in the third set of a match we have pretty clearly in hand, Nia, or even some other players, get a few swings Coach does bring in players at the end of some matches, particularly in the pre conference season. So I simply wonder how Coach determines when that is the right thing to do. No doubt he has a "feel" for such things and perhaps a match at against a highly regarded conference opponent in their gym is not the time to bring in a new OH. This particular decision is a bit puzzling because Nia played at an improved level in two matches prior to Ill, and this seemed like a chance to build on that. |
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Post by bob2061 on Oct 31, 2017 16:32:02 GMT -5
When someone gives me 5 possible answers to a question; it tells me they don't have a single good answer. Why do we keep talking about limited substitutions? I don't believe we have used up all our substitutions in years. It seems like we have one standard for the back row subs and a different standard for the front row subs. Coach James Franklin is so much more logical with his football substitutions - not any BS about breaking up a "rotation". You are always one injury away from changing which players you need in the game. I would rather Coach just say it is his personal choice regarding each player. Obviously Reed would not have played in the Wisconsin match if we were not getting our butts kicked in set #2 and a sub for Ali was apparent to everyone at that time. This wouldn't bother me so much if I didn't expect the post season tourney to be very competitive and Nia Reed may be needed for some "instant offense", which I now know she can provide. I remember a similar situation years ago with Ari Wilson where Coach finally gave in and let her play more.
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Post by nyline on Oct 31, 2017 16:55:58 GMT -5
Five responses: 1) limited substitutions; 2) fine-tuning the team -- everyone has a role; Nia's isn't to come in just to come in; 3) it's all about how players play in practice; 4) it has nothing to do with whether Ali would begrudge Nia minutes, it's whether Coach Rose thinks it will help the team to break up a rotation, simply to get a player minutes; 5) see numbers 1-4. Absolutely valid considerations. As I have made clear many times, I do not criticize the coaching staff. The long term success of the program speaks for itself and the benefit of every doubt must be resolve in favor of the staff's decisions. My inquiry is simply whether the team would benefit if, in the third set of a match we have pretty clearly in hand, Nia, or even some other players, get a few swings Coach does bring in players at the end of some matches, particularly in the pre conference season. So I simply wonder how Coach determines when that is the right thing to do. No doubt he has a "feel" for such things and perhaps a match at against a highly regarded conference opponent in their gym perhaps a match at against a highly regarded conference opponent in their gym is not the time to bring in a new OH. This particular decision is a bit puzzling because Nia played at an improved level in two matches prior to Ill, and this seemed like a chance to build on that. My guess is you're on the track with your observation that "perhaps a match at against a highly regarded conference opponent in their gym is not the time." Penn State has lost very large leads against quality opponents -- in Rec Hall -- so in addition to numbers 1-4, I suspect that's another reason. But I still think Coach Rose wants this squad to get reps in tough matches, and he's still fine-tuning things. Plus, Nia played great in game 2 against Wisconsin, then she really didn't play particularly well in game 3. So it's not like she's been on a run and no one has been able to stop her. Wisconsin did in game 3. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2017 17:37:23 GMT -5
When someone gives me 5 possible answers to a question; it tells me they don't have a single good answer. Why do we keep talking about limited substitutions? I don't believe we have used up all our substitutions in years. It seems like we have one standard for the back row subs and a different standard for the front row subs. Coach James Franklin is so much more logical with his football substitutions - not any BS about breaking up a "rotation". You are always one injury away from changing which players you need in the game. I would rather Coach just say it is his personal choice regarding each player. Obviously Reed would not have played in the Wisconsin match if we were not getting our butts kicked in set #2 and a sub for Ali was apparent to everyone at that time. This wouldn't bother me so much if I didn't expect the post season tourney to be very competitive and Nia Reed may be needed for some "instant offense", which I now know she can provide. I remember a similar situation years ago with Ari Wilson where Coach finally gave in and let her play more. Coach used Simone Lee like this in 2014--and against Wisconsin, coincidentally(?). Maybe Coach Rose should sub more. I do not know. I wonder if he's planning on making the modified 6-2 a permanent feature of PSU volleyball. Having 2 setters on the court seems to have a lot of advantages. |
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Post by fj11211 on Oct 31, 2017 18:18:19 GMT -5
Hindsight is 20-20. It is difficult to question/challenge decisions made by coaches during matches, especially the coach with the highest winning percentage. Also, football is not volleyball. It is a game of momentum. When things are flowing, it is dangerous to change it when there is no need, especially against a dangerous opponent like Illinois, who took Minnesota to the limit, and they are playing at home. I recall PSU beat Illinois one year in Champaign when they were down by multiple match point, I think 9-14 in the fifth?, but Katie Slay came alive and PSU prevailed. Erasing large deficits is entirely possible in volleyball. We also learned that it was possible in football as well, like what happened on Saturday at PSU's expense.
Let's support our coach and players, and wish them continue to win matches.
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Post by Millennium on Oct 31, 2017 19:41:35 GMT -5
I've finally figured it out.
That is, why Illinois had such awesome announcers (sounded like professional men who've been doing this a while), but put a video stream, which left much to be desired.
I'm betting the A.D. dumped most of their A/V budgeted funds into the audio portion and skimmed on the video portion (hence, the horrible stream).
I wish PSU and other schools would invest a few more bucks into their audio/radio budget.
Those poor student announcers aren't quite cutting it. Sorry guys, no disrespect meant, at least they try.
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