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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2016 21:21:16 GMT -5
yesterday at 3:29pm psumaui said: Another thing I noted is this ref seemed to try to catch wrestlers false starting the whole duel match. As soon as wrestlers are set he is supposed to blow whistle. Not wait(a few seconds) until someone moves after they are set. The ref was very annoying. new rule this year......ref announces both wrestlers are set and must wait a minimum of 1 second before giving wistle to start. That is a minimum of 1 second. Many refs are going longer which is causing confusion with wrestlers, coaches and fans. Nice to see a new member posting here. You are correct, there is a new "long set" rule this year. It just seems that the ref was over-doing it. Like he was going out of his way to explain to each kid what the new rule was and gave too many warnings. I mentioned it was annoying, but I noticed the PSU coaches were annoyed as well. They were yelling to the ref from their seats to just get on with the match, and that they knew the rules.
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Post by psumaui on Jan 25, 2016 22:48:01 GMT -5
yesterday at 3:29pm psumaui said: Another thing I noted is this ref seemed to try to catch wrestlers false starting the whole duel match. As soon as wrestlers are set he is supposed to blow whistle. Not wait(a few seconds) until someone moves after they are set. The ref was very annoying. new rule this year......ref announces both wrestlers are set and must wait a minimum of 1 second before giving wistle to start. That is a minimum of 1 second. Many refs are going longer which is causing confusion with wrestlers, coaches and fans. Thanks for clarifying that. That has to be one of the stupidest new rules I have ever heard of. Causing way too many cautions when resetting. If they are going to do that, then it should be a "maximum" of 1 second, not a "minimum" of a second.
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Post by psumaui on Jan 26, 2016 1:13:09 GMT -5
Here is different camera angle on Nolf's pin. This is a much better angle on the pin.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2016 1:51:27 GMT -5
Here is different camera angle on Nolf's pin. This is a much better angle on the pin. Thanks for providing that. The initial angle was so cheezy that it looked as if Martinez just gave up or threw the match.
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Post by nyline on Jan 26, 2016 6:36:41 GMT -5
Intermat rankings come out tomorrow. Nolf should be moved up to #1. Don't see anybody else moving up. If Nolf gets #1 tomorrow, we will have 4 out of the 10 weights ranked #1! Have we ever had that many #1's before in one year? Nolf #1. As to your question, I doubt it. Link: link
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Post by seeyajohn on Jan 26, 2016 9:48:28 GMT -5
yesterday at 3:29pm psumaui said: Another thing I noted is this ref seemed to try to catch wrestlers false starting the whole duel match. As soon as wrestlers are set he is supposed to blow whistle. Not wait(a few seconds) until someone moves after they are set. The ref was very annoying. new rule this year......ref announces both wrestlers are set and must wait a minimum of 1 second before giving wistle to start. That is a minimum of 1 second. Many refs are going longer which is causing confusion with wrestlers, coaches and fans. Thanks for clarifying that. That has to be one of the stupidest new rules I have ever heard of. Causing way too many cautions when resetting. If they are going to do that, then it should be a "maximum" of 1 second, not a "minimum" of a second. I disagree completely. Under the new rule wrestlers must wait and react to the referee's start. Under the old rule wrestler's would constantly jump the start. Wrestlers are slowly adjusting to the new rule and it makes for a much more fair start to the action.
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Post by seeyajohn on Jan 26, 2016 9:58:35 GMT -5
Thanks. Really an astonishingly ill-advised statement by IMar. Confidence is one thing. Saying something like that -- pre-match -- is an entirely different matter. I think Isaiah is taking a bad wrap for his pre-match comment. To me it was more an expression of confidence in his own ability than trash talking.
I thought that his post-match actions were more indicative of who he is. Note that after the pin he walked to the center of the mat and properly shook hands with Jason. It takes some class to do that when your dreams of going undefeated have just been ended. There are many examples of less sportsmanlike responses to defeats in wrestling. Further, Martinez stuck around after the dual meet and signed autographs for the youngsters who came to the meet. Lastly, he made no excuses for the loss.
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Post by nyline on Jan 26, 2016 12:35:21 GMT -5
Thanks. Really an astonishingly ill-advised statement by IMar. Confidence is one thing. Saying something like that -- pre-match -- is an entirely different matter. I think Isaiah is taking a bad wrap for his pre-match comment. To me it was more an expression of confidence in his own ability than trash talking.
I thought that his post-match actions were more indicative of who he is. Note that after the pin he walked to the center of the mat and properly shook hands with Jason. It takes some class to do that when your dreams of going undefeated have just been ended. There are many examples of less sportsmanlike responses to defeats in wrestling. Further, Martinez stuck around after the dual meet and signed autographs for the youngsters who came to the meet. Lastly, he made no excuses for the loss.
Fair enough. I'd still advise an athlete to honor and respect your opponent -- publicly and privately.
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Post by psumaui on Jan 26, 2016 13:25:41 GMT -5
Thanks for clarifying that. That has to be one of the stupidest new rules I have ever heard of. Causing way too many cautions when resetting. If they are going to do that, then it should be a "maximum" of 1 second, not a "minimum" of a second. I disagree completely. Under the new rule wrestlers must wait and react to the referee's start. Under the old rule wrestler's would constantly jump the start. Wrestlers are slowly adjusting to the new rule and it makes for a much more fair start to the action. As a former wrestler, I don't like it! You are so pumped up then have to wait until a ref decides to blow whistle. This is subject to abuse by the ref which was demonstrated in this dual match. I don't see coaches or wrestlers liking this new rule. I saw Cael was not happy with the way the ref was waiting until "he" was ready. On this, we will have to agree to disagree.
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Post by psumaui on Jan 26, 2016 13:43:57 GMT -5
Thanks. Really an astonishingly ill-advised statement by IMar. Confidence is one thing. Saying something like that -- pre-match -- is an entirely different matter. I think Isaiah is taking a bad wrap for his pre-match comment. To me it was more an expression of confidence in his own ability than trash talking.
I thought that his post-match actions were more indicative of who he is. Note that after the pin he walked to the center of the mat and properly shook hands with Jason. It takes some class to do that when your dreams of going undefeated have just been ended. There are many examples of less sportsmanlike responses to defeats in wrestling. Further, Martinez stuck around after the dual meet and signed autographs for the youngsters who came to the meet. Lastly, he made no excuses for the loss.
That was arrogance on his part. He may be a great person but there was no excuse for what his comments were. He totally disrespected Nolf and his abilities with those comments. As far as shaking hands, I would expect nothing less then shaking Nolf's hand when match was over. That's not class, that's sportsmanship to shake hands no matter what happened. Class would have been if he had raised Nolf's hand after the match demonstrating to everybody that he knew that Nolf is the better wrestler! I always shook my opponents hand and looked them in the eye no matter what the result was or how I felt about opponent/ref during that match. I also never trash talked my opponent and did my talking on the mat with my wrestling moves, not my mouth.
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Post by seeyajohn on Jan 26, 2016 23:43:52 GMT -5
I think Isaiah is taking a bad wrap for his pre-match comment. To me it was more an expression of confidence in his own ability than trash talking.
I thought that his post-match actions were more indicative of who he is. Note that after the pin he walked to the center of the mat and properly shook hands with Jason. It takes some class to do that when your dreams of going undefeated have just been ended. There are many examples of less sportsmanlike responses to defeats in wrestling. Further, Martinez stuck around after the dual meet and signed autographs for the youngsters who came to the meet. Lastly, he made no excuses for the loss.
That was arrogance on his part. He may be a great person but there was no excuse for what his comments were. He totally disrespected Nolf and his abilities with those comments. As far as shaking hands, I would expect nothing less then shaking Nolf's hand when match was over. That's not class, that's sportsmanship to shake hands no matter what happened. Class would have been if he had raised Nolf's hand after the match demonstrating to everybody that he knew that Nolf is the better wrestler! I always shook my opponents hand and looked them in the eye no matter what the result was or how I felt about opponent/ref during that match. I also never trash talked my opponent and did my talking on the mat with my wrestling moves, not my mouth. Wow! Congratulations!
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Post by psumaui on Jan 31, 2016 14:16:25 GMT -5
Today Penn State takes on Michigan. #4 Nico takes his match at 125 with a score of 10-4
133 - #5 Conaway wins 9-4
141 - #14 Gulibon wins 9-4
149 - # 1 Retherford pins #6 Pantelo in 3rd period - Pantelo was just laying there when on bottom doing nothing. Didn't even try to get up. Stalled every time he was on bottom(received 1 stall warning). Retherford is lightning fast on takedowns.
157 - #1 Nolf vs #9 Murphy - Went for pin in 1st with left toe in-bounds but ref called them out. Near end of period 2 Nolf gong for pin 2nd time in middle of mat but time ran out. Nolf wins 23-6 TF!
At the break Penn State leads Michigan 20-0 Note: This ref doing a much better job(than ref at Northwestern/Illinois match) at blowing whistle as soon as wrestlers are set.
165 - #17 Rasheed vs unranked Sutton but looks like Rasheed not looking good at beginning getting taken down twice losing 4-2 (two escapes). Rasheed comes back with escape and takedown and leads 5-4 going into 3rd. Rasheed wins a tight one 6-5.
174 - #1 Nickal vs #13 Mahomes. Nickal wins by medical forfeit after taking down Mahomes in 1st. Looks like Mahomes injured his knee when going down to mat.
184 - Brill wrestling for injured #9 McCutcheon against #8 Abounader. After 1st period, Brill trails Abounader 1-4. After 2 periods Brill trails Abounader 2-6. Brill loses 9-2. Abounader earns Michigan it's first points of the night.
197 - #1 Mcintosh wins by default.
Penn State up now 35-3
HWT - Johnson vs #4 Coon - Johnson giving up 40 pounds to Coon. Coon having his way with Johnson. I hope Nevils can come back from his injury to wrestler soon. The guys in now are giving up just too much weight to their opponents. Johnson loses 5-15. Crowd gives him a big applause for hanging in on his match. Great to see crowd show their appreciation for his wrestling effort.
Penn State wins dual match 35-7
Up next vs Ohio State on BTN TV Friday 6:00pm ET. Should be some good matches at the lighter weights. Especially at 125 when #4 Nico takes on #1 Tomasello. Ohio State squeaks by with a win today against Purdue 20-17. Looks like Ohio State ranked wrestler's that didn't wrestle today were 149 - #11 Hunter Stieber and 157 - #14 Ryan and HWT #2 Snyder. #8 DiJulius gets upset today by unranked Welch at 133.
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Post by goldengoal on Jan 31, 2016 19:00:01 GMT -5
Thanks. I am looking forward to the video; was following on match-tracker. We did as well as possible, given injuries. (But rumors are circulating that Nevills will be back this season.) It is all about how the teams match up, but Michigan handled Ohio State pretty easily (21-11). PSU should win, but I am not sure it will be as dominant as today.
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Post by nyline on Feb 1, 2016 6:42:14 GMT -5
If Nevils can come back, it will make Penn State even tougher for B1G and NCAA tournaments.
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Post by psumaui on Feb 1, 2016 18:49:36 GMT -5
If Nevils can come back, it will make Penn State even tougher for B1G and NCAA tournaments. Wouldn't that be nice! Would also love to see 5 National Champions this year! This match was sold out in Rec Hall and the Ohio State match is already sold out in BJC! Do you know how they will determine who wrestles the top Non-Conference team in the upcoming NWCA National Duals at the end of this month? If both Penn State and Iowa are undefeated who is considered top BIG 10 team to wrestle who more than likely will be top non-BIG 10 team North Carolina State? NWCA National Duals: Division I Dual Series set for February 21-22 at on-campus Big Ten sites NOTE: Illini will not be able to participate in this years NWCA National Duals due to conflict of schedule.
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