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Post by stillkicking on Dec 27, 2017 6:29:23 GMT -5
And as far as Kelly goes NO,HELL NO AND MAYBE EVEN A NO WAY IN HELL
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Post by bob2061 on Dec 27, 2017 9:03:27 GMT -5
No to what? You don't want a proven top recruiter or you don't want someone with similar background to what Russ Rose has? Funny that some fans forget that Russ got his start at Nebraska.
I think we need to realize if you can't recruit great players you end up with a program like we have in basketball. One that has zero chance of being a top team and encourages us to lower our expectations. We will need to find a quality replacement for when Coach Rose retires, that is one who can bring in elite outside hitters who can play six rotations. I don't think it is wise to exclude any assistant coach simply because they were on a team that beat us. That would certainly be counter productive.
Remember the glory days when we could bring in pin hitters between 6'3" to 6'5"? What happened?
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Post by pennstate1973 on Dec 27, 2017 10:30:35 GMT -5
It is hard for me to believe fans are recommending former star players like Glass with no coaching experience. It is not about how good a player is on the court; it is about how well a person can coach; how well a person communicates with players.
There has to be a proven track record of organizing and handling a practice when the head coach is not there, be a confident public speaker in front of 15 or 16 players, be confident in teaching players fundamental skills, etc.
IMO Penn State is not going to take a gamble on an unknown. It could work out or it may not work out. You can’t take that chance, particularly with Rose getting closer to retirement age.
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Post by tillie on Dec 27, 2017 10:35:19 GMT -5
College coaches and High School coaches have little in common with each other given the broader scene the college coach deals with
Just another note to toss up is that a number of years ago a survey was taken asking college vb players if they preferred a woman or a male a their coach.
I don't remember the stats but it was very much in favor of the male.
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Post by stillkicking on Dec 27, 2017 11:39:24 GMT -5
No to what? You don't want a proven top recruiter or you don't want someone with similar background to what Russ Rose has? Funny that some fans forget that Russ got his start at Nebraska. I think we need to realize if you can't recruit great players you end up with a program like we have in basketball. One that has zero chance of being a top team and encourages us to lower our expectations. We will need to find a quality replacement for when Coach Rose retires, that is one who can bring in elite outside hitters who can play six rotations. I don't think it is wise to exclude any assistant coach simply because they were on a team that beat us. That would certainly be counter productive. Remember the glory days when we could bring in pin hitters between 6'3" to 6'5"? What happened? I want a proven recruiter, Just not her. And by the way her Louisville squad Lost the three matches they played against BIG schools this year, two of them 3-0 sweeps and the third one they lost 3-1. |
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Post by bob2061 on Dec 27, 2017 13:15:22 GMT -5
No to what? You don't want a proven top recruiter or you don't want someone with similar background to what Russ Rose has? Funny that some fans forget that Russ got his start at Nebraska. I think we need to realize if you can't recruit great players you end up with a program like we have in basketball. One that has zero chance of being a top team and encourages us to lower our expectations. We will need to find a quality replacement for when Coach Rose retires, that is one who can bring in elite outside hitters who can play six rotations. I don't think it is wise to exclude any assistant coach simply because they were on a team that beat us. That would certainly be counter productive. Remember the glory days when we could bring in pin hitters between 6'3" to 6'5"? What happened? I want a proven recruiter, Just not her. And by the way her Louisville squad Lost the three matches they played against BIG schools this year, two of them 3-0 sweeps and the third one they lost 3-1. I know, she inherited a very average team recently but has already upgraded the talent being recruited and I expect her to have a top 10 team in about three years. She is a dynamite recruiter and the talent is starting to roll in. OTOH Prepvolleyball is picking us for a distant fourth place in the Big Ten next year. I don't know Kelly but we need someone with the skill to bring in high quality recruits each year. I am not impressed with the pin hitters we have brought in the last few years. |
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Post by stillkicking on Dec 27, 2017 14:27:07 GMT -5
Then another question if that's the case why would she give up her gig to be an assistant and recruiter for PSU
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Post by pennstate1973 on Dec 27, 2017 14:40:03 GMT -5
Then another question if that's the case why would she give up her gig to be an assistant and recruiter for PSU Yes, there are only two reasons; 1)substantially more money (unlikely scenario), or 2) guarantee in her contract she gets the head coaching gig when Russ retires. Otherwise there is no upside. She has done an incredible recruiting job. Anyone who denies that is delusional. |
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Post by toomuchvb on Dec 27, 2017 14:52:33 GMT -5
I want a proven recruiter, Just not her. And by the way her Louisville squad Lost the three matches they played against BIG schools this year, two of them 3-0 sweeps and the third one they lost 3-1. I know, she inherited a very average team recently but has already upgraded the talent being recruited and I expect her to have a top 10 team in about three years. She is a dynamite recruiter and the talent is starting to roll in. OTOH Prepvolleyball is picking us for a distant fourth place in the Big Ten next year. I don't know Kelly but we need someone with the skill to bring in high quality recruits each year. I am not impressed with the pin hitters we have brought in the last few years. PSU can’t do much better than the #2 recruit in the nation, OH Ali Frantti. Lee was somewhere in the #6-#9 range, iirc, which implied a prospective college career for both. (Was 2014 a weaker class compared to those which followed?) PSU needs to recruit well AND get team unity from the start. The connectedness posters mentioned this season on DigNittany appeared to have made a big, positive difference for this class this past season in particular. Fans saw glimpses last season. But it took a couple seasons to get there. Is that a function of a large recruiting class? Seniors learning to work together now that most are starters? Big personalities, which Coach Rose says he likes to recruit? Something else? I almost became ill reading the “With each other. For each other.” theme of the current championship team on social media. But it seemed to be a truth for them and it exuded energy for that group. Better recruiting every four years is a tough task. |
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Post by bob2061 on Dec 27, 2017 19:05:57 GMT -5
I know, she inherited a very average team recently but has already upgraded the talent being recruited and I expect her to have a top 10 team in about three years. She is a dynamite recruiter and the talent is starting to roll in. OTOH Prepvolleyball is picking us for a distant fourth place in the Big Ten next year. I don't know Kelly but we need someone with the skill to bring in high quality recruits each year. I am not impressed with the pin hitters we have brought in the last few years. PSU can’t do much better than the #2 recruit in the nation, OH Ali Frantti. Lee was somewhere in the #6-#9 range, iirc, which implied a prospective college career for both. (Was 2014 a weaker class compared to those which followed?) PSU needs to recruit well AND get team unity from the start. The connectedness posters mentioned this season on DigNittany appeared to have made a big, positive difference for this class this past season in particular. Fans saw glimpses last season. But it took a couple seasons to get there. Is that a function of a large recruiting class? Seniors learning to work together now that most are starters? Big personalities, which Coach Rose says he likes to recruit? Something else? I almost became ill reading the “With each other. For each other.” theme of the current championship team on social media. But it seemed to be a truth for them and it exuded energy for that group. Better recruiting every four years is a tough task. Why do all discussions about recent recruits always go all the way back to the 2014 class? Is it because no one wants to defend any of the players taken in subsequent years? The 2014 class was a great class but you can't just do serious recruiting every four years and coast the other three years. Our football and wrestling coaches are ringing the register with great recruiting every year. |
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Post by nyline on Dec 27, 2017 19:18:20 GMT -5
PSU can’t do much better than the #2 recruit in the nation, OH Ali Frantti. Lee was somewhere in the #6-#9 range, iirc, which implied a prospective college career for both. (Was 2014 a weaker class compared to those which followed?) PSU needs to recruit well AND get team unity from the start. The connectedness posters mentioned this season on DigNittany appeared to have made a big, positive difference for this class this past season in particular. Fans saw glimpses last season. But it took a couple seasons to get there. Is that a function of a large recruiting class? Seniors learning to work together now that most are starters? Big personalities, which Coach Rose says he likes to recruit? Something else? I almost became ill reading the “With each other. For each other.” theme of the current championship team on social media. But it seemed to be a truth for them and it exuded energy for that group. Better recruiting every four years is a tough task. Why do all discussions about recent recruits always go all the way back to the 2014 class? Is it because no one wants to defend any of the players taken in subsequent years? The 2014 class was a great class but you can't just do serious recruiting every four years and coast the other three years. Our football and wrestling coaches are ringing the register with great recruiting every year. The differences between Penn State's wrestling program and Penn State's women's volleyball program have been discussed many times on this forum. As to football, I don't believe football has had a #1-ranked class probably ever, and certainly not in the past 15 years. Volleyball has had highly-rated recruits every year except, as you have pointed out countless times, 2015, 2016 and 2017. 2018 was a great class -- probably #1. You have pointed out repeatedly that Penn State missed out during those years on several great OH and RS players. It's not an unknown. Clearly there will need to be a transfer or two next season, or there will be real challenges. Could we stop retracing those discussions? It's not news. Eyes forward, maybe? |
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Post by tillie on Dec 27, 2017 20:33:59 GMT -5
Imagine this group of commentators criticizing Russ:Like he doesn't know the situation.
Need to demonstrate a little humility here.
Believe that Russ had many players on the list who chose for whatever reason to go elsewhere.
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Post by toomuchvb on Dec 27, 2017 23:05:32 GMT -5
PSU can’t do much better than the #2 recruit in the nation, OH Ali Frantti. Lee was somewhere in the #6-#9 range, iirc, which implied a prospective college career for both. (Was 2014 a weaker class compared to those which followed?) PSU needs to recruit well AND get team unity from the start. The connectedness posters mentioned this season on DigNittany appeared to have made a big, positive difference for this class this past season in particular. Fans saw glimpses last season. But it took a couple seasons to get there. Is that a function of a large recruiting class? Seniors learning to work together now that most are starters? Big personalities, which Coach Rose says he likes to recruit? Something else? I almost became ill reading the “With each other. For each other.” theme of the current championship team on social media. But it seemed to be a truth for them and it exuded energy for that group. Better recruiting every four years is a tough task. Why do all discussions about recent recruits always go all the way back to the 2014 class? Is it because no one wants to defend any of the players taken in subsequent years? The 2014 class was a great class but you can't just do serious recruiting every four years and coast the other three years. Our football and wrestling coaches are ringing the register with great recruiting every year. The discussion goes back to 2014 because the bulk of the players come every four years. Who else is there to discuss? Recruits from 2010, 2006, 2002? Don’t mean to get snarky. Agree, cannot coast on recruiting. As someone else commented, Coach Rose is fully aware of the situation this every-four-year heavy recruiting creates. Can scholarships be distributed in another manner such that more recruiting opportunities exist year over year—so PSU has room to capitalize on the current top recruits? Those may be the real questions; and a change there may present the best option to succeed in landing big recruits who are available outside the current PSU four-year recruiting cycle. |
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Post by lionsfan on Jan 1, 2018 3:33:50 GMT -5
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Post by tillie on Jan 1, 2018 5:56:14 GMT -5
Salima:
Good luck, good fortune and Happy family
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